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Postby vdub » Fri May 11, 2007 11:42 pm

Dream Yoga is also one of the 6 yogas of Naropa. Its of the Nyingma tradition. Ive read one book by Chogyal Namkhai Norba called Dream Yoga and i started one by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche called The Tibetan Yogas Of Dream and Sleep. Ive found a way to do something i want to do without spending 40 years meditating.

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The view of dreaming is similar to the cultures of the Australian aboriginal people or the American Hopi and Navaho, or Buddhist tantra. It contrasts with that of our stressed out civilization, where the individual does not take dreams seriously, under the pressure of a social environment seething with desire for achievement in life’s every role. One treats the night imagery as not pragmatically valuable, as yet one more thing produced and owned for a while. Western culture ascribes little meaning to dreams. An example of this could be rearing children without teaching them the value of dreams. In this way we in the West lose an important part of ourselves, and an opportunity for understanding our general condition of existence more deeply. We also ruin a certain creative potential. We are not using the help that dreaming can offer in solving the problems of daily life. We partially lose the spiritual and emotional depth of ourselves. We are cutting off one of the sources of wisdom and a possible route to profound integration through conscious experience of day and night.

for complete text http://www.buddhistinformation.com/work ... dreams.htm
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Postby Lucidor » Sat May 12, 2007 7:01 am

Oh.. that's a lot of reading. But I'll check it out. :^)
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Postby choccybiccy » Sat May 12, 2007 3:26 pm

I wish you luck on your endeavour vdub, the problem is that the psychiatrist will be most likely unaware and therefore delusional, with a big pile of denial heaped on that.

And even if he was aware how could he have gotten this across to you?

Who are you going to prove that lack of awareness leads to delusion to?

IMHO the best people to prove it to would be your friends and family (and anyone who will listen)

These are most likely the people who are or will go on to be the people involved in this system, and is a way in which our culture can evolve.

Be creative :D

I don't think you can win a malpractice case, as however wrong psychiatry is in this way, he most likely practiced it correctly.

But you may educate a few people along the way. :wink:
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Postby vdub » Mon May 14, 2007 9:38 pm

"Reflection" the dream is a projection of our mind. it is not different from the mind, just as a ray of sunlight is not different from the sun in the sky. not knowing this, we engage the dream as if it where real, like a lion snarling at the face it sees reflected in water. in a dream, the sky is our mind, the mountain is our mind; the flowers, the chocolate that we eat, the other people, all are our mind reflected back at us.

from "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep" by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
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Postby Lucidor » Mon May 14, 2007 9:55 pm

I just love such analogies. :^j

I still haven't read the link you posted before. I'm quite busy right now. But I will read it eventually.
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Postby vdub » Mon May 14, 2007 10:12 pm

heres one thats a bit shorter. its a 2 part article http://www.plotinus.com/zhine_tibetan_dream_yoga.htm
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Postby vdub » Sat May 19, 2007 3:24 pm

im really just trying to prove in a general sense that without awareness there is dellusion. i need more than just my specific situation. i need to discuss it with others. i need more responses
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Postby Lucidor » Sat May 19, 2007 4:18 pm

Sorry, I have been a bit busy lately. I'm going to read those webpages you linked before tonight.
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Postby vdub » Tue May 22, 2007 5:34 pm

from "tibetan yogas of dream and sleep" by tenzin wangyal rinpoche
"when the lion mistakes his reflection in the water for something real, he is startled and snarles; when he understands the illusiory nature of the reflection, he does not react with fear. "
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