The Serotonin Scam, Explaining It To People Offline

Yesterday someone mentioned serotonin levels to me when we were talking about gym supplements like protein powders and vitamins and stuff. I was like your kidding you believe that horse crap about serotonin ? Alot of people still believe the serotonin lie, fraudulent marketing works.



The Serotonin Myth Explained > http://www.thealternativedaily.com/serotonin-myth-explained/

And the search http://www.google.com/search?q=serotonin+myth I prefer to call it a scam or fraud but the word myth brings good search results.

My question for the forum, people who know about the serotonin myth lie scam fraud is what kind of reactions do you get when you try and explain it to people offline ?

I find it is not so easy, unlike online when you can just post information to explain it offline it is not so easy.

Depression is caused by low serotonin ? So using the same logic when I have a headache it is do to an Advil deficiency ?




Did you get your serotonin level tested ? Were you offered a test ? Have you ever met anyone who has had a serotonin level test ?

Why do they say it takes 6 weeks for anti depressants to work if it they ever do ?

Usual response = "it needs to get into your system".

What "system" are you talking about ? What does that system do ?

If the drug "builds up" why for only 6 weeks instead of continuing build up till you overdose ?

Why can't I just take 6 weeks worth all at once and not wait without getting really sick or dying ?

Thats what I do offline, I keep asking questions they can't answer.

When I try to explain to people that anti-depressants are no better than a placebo when it comes to treating depression, they often insinuate that I am paranoid about drugs. Rarely actual arguments, just people implying that I'm a crazy person.

I agree with copy_cat, it is a scam. The truth is they give a toxin to damage the brain. It has no positive effect on depression or on anything whatsoever. The brain damage takes some time to be big enough for you to be disabled and defenseless, also with a memory loss.

Charlatans often trick you by saying it will be only 4 to 6 weeks. Actually, their aim is to continue indefinitely damaging your brain as after the 4 to 6 weeks you will be defenseless and unable to argue, unable to have deep thoughts.

Serotonin is a complete lie. The toxin is given to damage the brain, not for any serotonin reason. It is given for its toxicity. Also note that every toxin suppresses neurotransmitters, and that they are lying communists. The strictest totalitarian regime that dictates and coerces into a forced brain damage. And by the way, if anything, the depression gets deadly when you have not only a depression, but also a brain damage on top and a lot of suffering from effects of the brain damage and effects of the toxicity exposure which inflicts damage to all internal organs, not only the brain.

The serotonin scam is a toxin falsely marketed as if there was some scientific meaning. There isn't. It is purely and entirely about inflicting brain damage to suppress you into passivity and disability, so then you cannot harm anyone, but yourself. It is a dirty trick like lying communists typically do. All their talking is a communistic propaganda of their regime.

And finally depression is caused by not being happy with something, for example not having enough money, not having a girlfriend, it is just simply being miserable for a very good reason. So, when you get a brain damage and an exposure to toxicity which damages all your organs, you will be very extremely depressed even if previously you were a happy person with no depression at all. So not only the toxin does not treat it, the toxin actually causes it and makes it a deadly depression, not a normal one. Because how will you undo your brain damage? It is not like finding a better job. It is a brain mutilation. When you learn things again, congratulation, but your brain is still permanently mutilated, much of it died after exposure to toxicity, and you don't know what you don't know. Much of you was killed via toxicity. That is what I am saying. The remaining part of you can still learn of course, but expect to be 600% more likely to be depressed than if you did not take any toxin.

Last note: I figured people are predators. They want to cause damage and make money on it at the same time, and get power from it at the same time. They are predating on other people while getting paid for it and getting power from it. It is the same with the police that are predating on other people while getting paid for it and power from it. Same with the politicians too.

So instead of any honest job, predate on other people, trick them, and make money on that at the same time, and get your power on that too.

IntellectualCat wrote:When I try to explain to people that anti-depressants are no better than a placebo when it comes to treating depression, they often insinuate that I am paranoid about drugs. Rarely actual arguments, just people implying that I'm a crazy person.

Psychiatry is one giant name calling profession. Thats all it is. Most people move on from that when they become an adult but psychiatry decides to make an entire empire off of it.

Honestly I'm with you, and you can clearly see through the bulls***; it is a scam, a fraudulence, a cash cow, nothing more.

But for someone with severe depression what else do they have? Feeling nothing, with a cognitive belief that they should be feeling something -- that they should be feeling okay -- is still preferable to literally offing themselves when therapy hasn't worked. If you ask me, a lot of depression cases could probably be pinned down to a physical issue, because the mind-body connection is real. Still, it's far easier to just give someone a pill to make everything better than instructing them to make a huge lifestyle change.

I think what matters here is whether or not the psychiatrist is a charlatan, or is an actual professional who will only prescribe SSRI's as liberally as possible, with full disclosure on how to use them and taper them. My stance on this has always been: if you can do without the meds, you can really do without the meds! Although, just like you said in other posts, I'm also vehemently against forced drugging, excluding severe cases. They have there place until we can find something better... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdLzAglMSB0

At this point I just wish for everyone that there was another way, but there isn't.

Auxiliary11 wrote:Honestly I'm with you, and you can clearly see through the bulls***; it is a scam, a fraudulence, a cash cow, nothing more.

But for someone with severe depression what else do they have? Feeling nothing, with a cognitive belief that they should be feeling something -- that they should be feeling okay -- is still preferable to literally offing themselves when therapy hasn't worked. If you ask me, a lot of depression cases could probably be pinned down to a physical issue, because the mind-body connection is real. Still, it's far easier to just give someone a pill to make everything better than instructing them to make a huge lifestyle change.

I think what matters here is whether or not the psychiatrist is a charlatan, or is an actual professional who will only prescribe SSRI's as liberally as possible, with full disclosure on how to use them and taper them. My stance on this has always been: if you can do without the meds, you can really do without the meds! Although, just like you said in other posts, I'm also vehemently against forced drugging, excluding severe cases. They have there place until we can find something better... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdLzAglMSB0

At this point I just wish for everyone that there was another way, but there isn't.

Personally I am not anti medication. If medication works for someone they should have every right to take it. But to force medication on someone who does not want it is where I draw the line. Everyone should have the right to choose and the right to refuse. I know the argument comes up that if a person is mentally ill they can not make a rational decision for themselves, but that is simply not the case. Many people are indeed in full capacity to make that decision, often because anyone can be labelled ill without a shred of evidence and that does happen frequently. Its simply more power granted to psychiatrists and the system which can and is indeed abused.

Riccola wrote:

Personally I am not anti medication. If medication works for someone they should have every right to take it. But to force medication on someone who does not want it is where I draw the line. Everyone should have the right to choose and the right to refuse. I know the argument comes up that if a person is mentally ill they can not make a rational decision for themselves, but that is simply not the case. Many people are indeed in full capacity to make that decision, often because anyone can be labelled ill without a shred of evidence and that does happen frequently. Its simply more power granted to psychiatrists and the system which can and is indeed abused.

What about when they coerce someone into taking the 'medication'? They do it all the time by lying about the benefits of the drugs they give. Like with this serotonin deficiency crap they have everyone believing. And they lie about the side effects too. I remember the shrink telling me how the risperidone she was trying to give me had much fewer side effects than the older anti-psychotics. Then I looked around and saw everyone on risperidone all bloated up, glassy eyed and twitching! But she was just citing the bogus rigged studies I guess.

Edit - I just looked this up:

The psychiatric profession has finally come clean and confessed on a national media outlet that there is no evidence to support the Serotonin Theory of Depression. Today, on NPR’s Morning Edition there is a segment about the chemical imbalance theory, and virtually all the psychiatrists who are interviewed acknowledge that the there was never any evidence in support of the idea that low serotonin causes depression. But then, amazingly, they go on to say that it is perfectly fine to tell patients that serotonin imbalance causes depression even though they know this isn’t the case.

http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/01/psy ... onfession/

Oh and as for the scam itself...

Maybe just bring a tiny printout of the basics of it, and keep it in your wallet; eventually after repeating it enough it'll become second nature.

Parador wrote:What about when they coerce someone into taking the 'medication'? They do it all the time by lying about the benefits of the drugs they give. Like with this serotonin deficiency crap they have everyone believing. And they lie about the side effects too. I remember the shrink telling me how the risperidone she was trying to give me had much fewer side effects than the older anti-psychotics. Then I looked around and saw everyone on risperidone all bloated up, glassy eyed and twitching! But she was just citing the bogus rigged studies I guess.

I still think its wrong imo. And yes I've been there, had psychs tell me one thing only to see the other.

Edit - I just looked this up:

The psychiatric profession has finally come clean and confessed on a national media outlet that there is no evidence to support the Serotonin Theory of Depression. Today, on NPR’s Morning Edition there is a segment about the chemical imbalance theory, and virtually all the psychiatrists who are interviewed acknowledge that the there was never any evidence in support of the idea that low serotonin causes depression. But then, amazingly, they go on to say that it is perfectly fine to tell patients that serotonin imbalance causes depression even though they know this isn’t the case.

http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/01/psy ... onfession/

Great link, thanks