Staff use of force on psych inpatients, what are the rules ?

I had this idea that if 2 or more people got together and got themselves admitted to an inpatient psych facility and then had a visitor sneak in a smart phone or mini DVR camera they could bait a staff member into assaulting one of them unjustly by "smarting off" or something wile the other records then take the video to a lawyer and cash in big time by suing the hospital for rights violations.


I already did a thread in that here > http://www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic184532.html If anyone wants to discuss that. I don't want to do it but considering how I was treated who cares if someone likes the idea and cashes in. After a hospital gets sued and looses an assault lawsuit no doubt futures patients will be treated better and abusive staff fired.


I am usually very good at finding stuff on web searches but I can't seem to find any information on the use of force by staff in inpatient psychiatric settings. Some of us who have lived it know it seems like the rules on the use of force and staff putting their hands on people is just "when ever they feel like it" Or at least in places run by "Universal Health Services" or UHS.

More on UHS hellholes is on this site that is dedicated to all the people who were harmed or killed in UHS facilities. They speak for those who have no voice, to protect others from experiencing the pain they endured. https://watchinguhs.wordpress.com/about/

What they did to that girl when I was inpatient, they have no right just arbitrarily grabbing and dragging people around. Never ever forget that girls terror and screams and having to just stand there and watch or get assaulted myself.

All I know is that the law of the land is that if you touch someone who doesn't want to be touched you can and will be charged with assault like if someone tries to cut ahead of you in line at Walmart and you pull on their shirt or make any psychical contact and they complain and call police expect to be arrested.

So anyway forum, help me out, help me find the guidelines for the use of force in inpatient psychiatric facilities. Should be easy to find but I am having a hard time.

Someone should sneak cameras into a psych hospital to show the public how abusive it is. I saw one guy tackled and threatened by a 300 pound staff for taking a cup of milk out of the dining room without a lid on it. I saw one guy tackled by another large staff for just jogging up and down the hallway. They would force drug people right on the day hall in front of everyone. There was one staff guy who would yell at people to take their meds or they would get the 'silver bullet'. The violence against patents finally did get a little better when they started making staff actually document why the restrained a patient. The staff still would end up lying about why they had to do it. Still - they did it less because they didn't want to do paperwork.

As for the actual rules - that they don't bother to follow. You can check with the CMS guidlines if you are in the US.

According to federal law, all patients have the right to be free from physical or mental abuse, and corporal punishment. To prevent exploitation of potentially vulnerable patients, the federal law specifies that restraint and seclusion cannot be imposed to coerce, discipline or retaliate against a patient by staff. The only way restraint and seclusion can be imposed is to ensure the immediate physical safety of the patient, staff or others. The operative word here is immediate, i.e. it has to be temporary, and “must be discontinued at the earliest possible time”. It also must only be implemented by trained staff. These are the non-negotiable, non-arguable aspects of the regulations. On the other hand, the CMS interpretive guidelines put the onus on hospitals to create a culture that supports the patient’s right to be free from restraint or seclusion.

http://blog.audioeducator.com/cms-interpretive-guidelines-restraint-seclusions/

Parador wrote:Someone should sneak cameras into a psych hospital to show the public how abusive it is. I saw one guy tackled and threatened...

I know and the worst part is when one of your friends gets it and you can't step in to help without getting it too.


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The internet has a forum for everything, I should find one where criminals discuss scams and tell them about this low hanging fruit. Their ideas to grab it might be even better than mine.

I don't think this is wrong, hospitals shouldn't be abusing people in the first place.

As I have said, if patient care was well documented with stringent over sight psychiatry abuse would plummet. It might even become both enjoyable and effective to seek a caring hand, something which is needed in this day and age.


Unfortunately what ought to be getting people to protest is being swept under the rug and hidden behind locked doors and board room meetings.


http://www.infowars.com/psychiatrists-d ... l-justice/

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Propaganda! We need to start making banners, fliers, messages, etc. and send them out to masses.

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While I understand people are passionate, this is just another friendly reminder to keep all advice and talk down to a legal level. Theoretically this thread should already be closed, but Id like to make a special exception keeping this open on the hopes we can gain greater insite into constructively educating people about psychiatry and its weak points. Please keep the conversation down to legal ideas.


Any more reminders and this thread will be closed.

If I may add, I think perhaps the best people suited for this would be media outlets? I mean think about it, not only can they conduct a legal investigations legally airing what would otherwise get people arrested, but they can reach everyone, far more than obscure You Tube videos. Media can also petition courts for freedom of information far more effectively than any individual. There is already a number of social justice movements under way in the media, psychiatry could easily be the next one.


I propose people try and get media on board. Your stories can get the ball rolling. CNN is viewed all over the world. A single story will be viewed by billions starting legit discussion giving this the attention it deserves.

Did I post a trick question or not ; use of force on psych inpatients, what are the rules ?

During my stay in a UHS psychiatric hellhole called help they assaulted this young woman who was complaining not getting a salad on her food tray. She was told to go sit down. She was like no I didn't get a salad, then out of no place the staff goons just grabbed her pulled her out of the room and dragged her down the hallway. The screaming started with GET OFF ME ! DON'T TOUCH ME ! Then just terrified screams cause she didn't know what was coming next or where they were taking her. I have heard female actors in horror movies scream in terror but I will never forget hearing the real thing that day. Its different.

I mean WTF , if you order something at Mc Donald's and you don't get your salad and you refuse to go sit down I am certain that if they grab you and drag you into a back room that is called assault and kidnapping and everyone involved would be arrested.

Did post a trick question or are the regular laws of the land suspended in a psychiatric hell hole ?

What happened to the girl ? She was forced to go the rest of the day without being allowed out for a cigarette break and had all kinds of anxiety attacks and was crying as a result of both nicotine withdrawal and the lunch room assault.

It sucks trying to expose hospital inpatient abuse because web search results almost always include the words "substance abuse" making abuse stories difficult to find and publicize.

***mod edit*** Again I don't think its wrong, none of these scams would possibly work at all if these hospitals were not assaulting, abusing people and violating patient rights on a daily basis in the first place.

I mean WTF, people liked Robin Hood and scamming abusers is more noble then simple theft.

I went off topic but I am still looking for any information on the rules on using force inpatient.


After it is all found I would like to organize it and put it online so it is easy for people to find.