hospital open for lawsuit

” just make up some nonsense about hearing voices and they’ll swallow the whole thing hook, line and sinker.”

Above is a line from a story on MIA that inspired this post.

“The Rosenhan experiment was a famous experiment done in order to determine the validity of psychiatric diagnosis, conducted by psychologist David Rosenhan, a Stanford University professor, and published by the journal Science in 1973 under the title “On being sane in insane places”.

http://www.google.com/search?q=the+rosenhan+experiment

I think with proper planning a person or better yet a team of people could get themselves admitted to a psychiatric hellhole for the propose of having there rights violated then make a nice amount of money off a lawsuit.

How hard would it be for 2 people to get themselves admitted, have a visitor sneak in a smart phone then have one person "smart off" and get themselves unjustly assaulted by staff and record it and put on Facebook live or something too.

Then of course when its all over bring the assault video to a lawyer.

You could make $50,000 in 72 hours.

-- Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:12 pm --

If anyone can come up with more ways of baiting them into rights violations for future lawsuits post it. These places will never stop abusing patients till it starts costing them money.


I think its kind of funny that someone might read this take my idea and pull it off. Very easy simple plan. I saw unjust assaults inpatient worth $50,000 easy, I had no phone to record it with.

If psych hospitals had cameras and such footage was made public, psychiatry would change over night. The protests would be like that of police misconduct once the bigger picture and short falls come to light.


However, unlike a first amendment audit in public which is legal, I would imagine sneaking under cover cameras into a hospital may be breaking the law. Keep in mind there is HIPPA, for example. So to anyone thinking about it I would hesitate as it could open you up to much bigger liability.


I know, it sucks. It should not be like this, but whats the point if you end up being in trouble? Also remember that there are patients who may prefer their right to privacy.

Riccola wrote:I would imagine sneaking under cover cameras into a hospital may be breaking the law.

The protection of sources, sometimes also referred to as the confidentiality of sources or in the U.S. as the reporter's privilege, is a right accorded to journalists under the laws of many countries, as well as under international law. It prohibits authorities, including the courts, from compelling a journalist to reveal the identity of an anonymous source for a story. The right is based on a recognition that without a strong guarantee of anonymity, many would be deterred from coming forward and sharing information of public interests with journalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_sources

http://www.google.com/search?q=press+confidentiality+of+sources

What I need to find out is when exactly are the staff goons in these "hospitals" legally allowed to put their hands on people ?

I believe its only to protect the person or others from harm but that's not the way it goes down. I am going to look for the law of the use of force behind psychiatric locked doors cause I know its not "when ever they feel like it".

Does anyone here know the law about the use of force by staff against psychiatry's prisoner patients ?

I love your idea. When the government fails to give us the justice, we need to do it ourselves and hunt the brain mutilators!

Trick them, outsmart them, kill them. We need to be killers like Donald Trump.

People in the public mostly believe in the PR propaganda from brain mutilators because they never hear anything else. This will change when we deliver the messages, pictures, videos, fliers, stories, mottos, etc. to them. We need to discredit brain mutilators like the US discredits isis. Without subverting the propaganda of brain mutilators, people stay indoctrinated and supportive!







I will name the laws against assault and battery in short. First, there is a problem with every brain mutilator who claims the assault is a treatment. It's challenging to prosecute under the criminal law when there is a medical negligence law. The charlatan will insist it was medical, and the victim will insist it was an assault, or a treatment that was medically unnecessary.

Disputing the necessity is challenging because crooked courts invite only other charlatans who themselves pose as experts and they only give their opinion. The prosecution might depend on having one or more "experts" who will argue it was medically unnecessary, and they would have to outargue the defendant and his "experts".

It is all corrupt and all medicine is a fraud. The only legitimate science about people and other animals, their lives, and their health is biology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology Everything you need to know about people is biology. Medicine is scientifically completely invalid, and only causes harm. A scientific finding published in a journal is that medicine is an engineered genocide. They are like Hitler, and their power rises and falls with propaganda.

These brain mutilators are a business, they have their PR where everything is presented positively, everyone is tricked by hearing it all the time, and the internal truth never leaks out. If it did leak, it would totally discredit them. And we need that. We need more leaks. Precisely that is what they know, and they do not let people to record anything inside the hellholes. Recording is not allowed, and they threaten that it would be breaking the law, something about privacy, etc.

The truth is recording in hellholes is not allowed for the same reason recording in court is not allowed. And still, today, you cannot record in court! There are still people only drawing pictures of how others looked. There are not the actual courts recorded.
Why? Could it be because they are entirely corrupt, like police, and they serve the government to enforce what the government wants, and they do not serve the people at all?

If crooked courts serve the government, like the crooked police, and the government pays over $40bn / year to brain mutilators with intention to find and mutilate everybody who misbehaves, including children and the elderly, what can we expect the crooked courts will decide in claims brought against brain mutilators? They will fiercely defend the brain mutilators in every way they can, as they are paying them for it.

To really succeed with it as an assault, it would have to happen in different circumstances than a doctor vs. patient BS.


There are still chances to succeed with an assault claim against them, but remember that courts are crooked and do not allow recording either for the same reason those crooked charlatans do not allow it.

US laws on assault and battery:
Criminal law requires proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt, i.e. the tried person must have no clever thing to say in their defense because our evidence against them is strong enough to speak for itself.

Conviction for assault requires proving beyond reasonable doubt the intent to scare or frighten another person.

Conviction for a battery requires proving beyond reasonable doubt that there was an intentional touching, the touching must be harmful or offensive, no consent from the victim.

There is not any law to my best knowledge that allows brain mutilators to use coercion or assault, however, they lie to be doctors and they lie assaults, coercion, and mutilations are a treatment. The case would have to succeed saying it is an assault. What is the difference between a treatment and an assault? Sometimes consent, sometimes medical necessity. They can argue the necessity.

Is there something in the US which says in some cases the victim cannot refuse treatment?

When a brain mutilator decides so, the victim gets the brain damage whether the victim wants or not. Brain mutilators have their PR and appeal on it. They used to cut brains through eye sockets without anesthetics to innocent people, and were not stopped, or brought to justice. Contrary, they had a big demand and one of those scammers got a nobel prize for it. He has not ended in jail. One of the victims shot him in the spine. He then could not mutilate more people himself, so he had an assistant to do it in his presence.

The story I have to tell you is not nice. But courts are crooks and charlatans are crooks, and police are crooks, and media are crooks. They all scam us, divide us, misinform us, exploit us, and they are all paid and directed by special interest groups. Can you imagine how many crooked charlatans have their associations that lobby, misinform, and pay in many ways on all sides to maintain the status quo?

We need to trick the crooked charlatans and arrest them. I can disprove the scientific validity of their discipline, and write persuasively what they really do. People who have not experienced it are however clueless and they are trained whole life to believe in medicine. It is sacred for them because of the PR campaigning these crooked charlatans have.

If we had a lot of money, we could start anti-campaigns and push politicians for a change. It would need a fundraising and then we could start the big anti-campaign, gain supporters, have rallies, etc.

There is so much we need, but the ultimate goal is to subvert their propaganda. It is their shield and if we break it + make the public hear us, we will expose is happening, disgust the public and they will want to abolish it to protect themselves and their parents and their children. We need to whip the public into fear. It works.
Anti-campaigning is required also against the government, i.e. finding online who is in charge of health or who is above him and complaining their, sending them emails, demanding answers and change, etc.

The lobbying needs to start and be persistent. I have just found emails of ministers who I can write, and at this time we simply have no voice.

The battlefield, the war only has loudspeakers like during Hitler that spew propagandist lies from Hitler's doctors who mutilate people for misbehavior. And this propaganda, as long as it is the only propaganda on the topic that people hear, is why the thing is publicly approved and continues. As soon as we do anti-campaigns and people get to hear our counter-propaganda which whips them into fear, they are likely to be on our side. We need to scare them properly to make them act. We need to scare them like when the crooked charlatans are the new 9/11, and you bet they are.


This is like the 2nd world war. We need to find our strengths, their weaknesses, and maneuver. How do soldiers infiltrate a hostile propaganda? There is a subject, called psychological warfare which trains you how to invoke the desired action in people.

I see it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare and I wonder how is that any different from public relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations and specifically impression management where you design your communication to be massive, over some communication channel that reaches many people, and you design your message to evoke the desired impression.

It seems the same. Psychological warfare, according to wiki, can target organizations or groups. It discusses the formation of attitudes and opinions. It was used in both world wars, Hitler had Goebles who was great at it, but also it was used in the Vietnam war, is used in Syrian war, and is used in the war against isis, and elsewhere.

So, check this out, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare and let's hunt brain mutilators and demonize them as if they were the isis. Let's expose their atrocities and push those discrediting leaks to highly visited websites, including in comments, just to make as many people see it as possible.

If we had hundreds of thousands views, we would quickly spread our messages across and reshape public opinion. When we are massively changing people's opinion, we are killing brain mutilators.

Recording can never be punished unless they have the evidence beyond reasonable doubt about who recorded. We can record and leak anything. Nobody knows who recorded it. Doing it like that will work to discredit them.

We will discredit the modern Hitler. The Hitler's propaganda of genocide will be over when we start recording it and exposing it to the public.

2 Investigates obtained leaked hidden camera video of the conditions inside the John George Psychiatric Hospital in San Leandro. The video shows overcrowding so severe that patients are sleeping and eating on the floor, some of them moaning and crying out for help.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/2-investigates/136753166-story

Copy_Cat wrote:

2 Investigates obtained leaked hidden camera video of the conditions inside the John George Psychiatric Hospital in San Leandro. The video shows overcrowding so severe that patients are sleeping and eating on the floor, some of them moaning and crying out for help.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/2-investigates/136753166-story

Very sad. Its like being punished because you have no voice. Criminals are often treated better than this.

You know, I definitely believe that this could be done.

I was once in a very strong psychosis where I believed that some kind of alien invasion was occurring. My family sent me to the hospital to talk to someone, however since I believed that it was not the proper time to be admitted to a mental institution given how important the events of the invasion were, I simply didn't mention anything about it. I answered the questions in a way that I knew would make me sound sane and I was sent home, being declared to show "no signs of psychosis".

Yet, I've been in a less psychotic state, but have spoken openly about all of my paranoia, and been admitted. I spoke about the paranoia because I thought I would get help sorting out the true from the false, before the sad realisation that this is not the kind of help you get in a mental institution - the help is only medication, and generic therapies (from my experience).

So, given that it seems that the words you say are the difference between being admitted and not being admitted, I certainly think someone could make up a story containing schizophrenia criteria (such as mentioning delusional ideas and saying that there are hallucinations present) and be admitted, despite none of it actually being true. Of course, then convincing them that you were sane the whole time and made it up to sue them could be difficult... but yes, with proper planning definitely sounds possible.

lawyers side with shrinks , who are just like them - really smart winners .

they are not able to care about people who are the opposite of them .

lawyers go to court for people they know can help them win. :burn: