History of psychoses with no forced medication

Many in the anti-psychiatry movement have said, ""no forced medication -- ever." This statement denies the way extremely upset, manic, psychotic and/or violent people were treated in the past, with chains around their ankles, cold baths and other types of abuse. And, of course, we know that extreme mania would cause people to die from exhaustion! Sure, there are bad apples in the psychiatry profession. There are bad lawyers, incompetent engineers, bad plumbers, drunk pilots and ship captains, and as a teacher I've seen plenty of bad teachers. But I don't know anyone who would trash the entire legal or education or any other profession or skilled workforce because some are incompetent. Only psychiatry takes this sort of heat because of, yes, some abusive practices that have happened in the past, and can still happen today. One of the biggest problems allowing abuse to currently occur is the widespread belief that people with emotional or thought disorders are incompetent in many ways. At times, many of use have been or are incompetent to stand up for ourselves, or defend ourselves. But we can learn. I see learning our limitations and personal strengths are the key, and these things are assisted by a good therapist (not an incompatible or incompetent one, and there are plenty of those), and well balanced and managed medications. I finally found professional help at the age of 54, after suffering all my life from wishing I were dead, never been born, severe rages and depression, inability to sustain a marriage, or a job. I've been on meds for 20 years, and like everyone else, wished I could get off them. Three times I've tried, going extremely slowly, spending weeks between even cutting one down by 1/8 at a time. Each time, my symptoms came right back. For the most part, I'm balanced. The past 20 years have been the happiest in my life. I'm not at the mercy of my moods, no longer fearful of a rage that can burst out at any time. My creative activities are very successful -- much more than in the past. I have good friends and a great support network. Every now and then I have to change med types because one stops working. I credit my music and art training since a child, for having taught me that great effort and patience bring great rewards. And I credit the professionals in the psychiatric profession for their guidance in this quest.

Synergy42 wrote:Many in the anti-psychiatry movement have said, ""no forced medication -- ever." This statement denies the way extremely upset, manic, psychotic and/or violent people were treated in the past, with chains around their ankles, cold baths and other types of abuse.

What about the word "medication?" Does it ease your mind by conjuring up images of some benign cough syrup prescribed by a kindly family doctor ? Nothing could be further from the truth. The word neuroleptic, literally “nerve seizing,” was used to describe the effects of these drugs before they renamed them anti psychotic "medication".

Synergy42 wrote:and as a teacher

Here is a little homework assignment, watching a 48 minute video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOScYBwMyAA

Anything not true in this video ?

Synergy42 wrote: But I don't know anyone who would trash the entire

I think the entire profession earned every bit of the trashing, agree ?

IMO, I think psychiatry must first define what psychosis really is. Presently its nothing more then how the observer (psychiatrist) perceives the situation at anyone point in time.

I'll probably watch the video later to find out why the OP is making false claims about doing well now on the medication. On the plus side, he's not making any outrageous far fetched claims and comes across like someone that wasn't having a psychotic episode when he typed that.

So, look for a doctor that assures you that it's not like the past and just try a different drug when the ones you're on stop working I guess.

It sounds good in theory. It's just the ideology behind it. "symptoms require medication". Merely the statement that using one drug does something to change your brain chemistry and then you apparently use another drug to change it again ad infinitum. You are a functioning drug addict. Not chaotic because you presumably only take your prescription under doctor's orders. What's "chemical imbalance"? What's a chemically induced psychosis?

Synergy42 wrote: with chains around their ankles

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Whats the difference ? Only that it looks nicer to outside observers if a person is disabled with drugs like Haldol . Either way you can't walk or move properly.

Psychiatry often does both things to people anyway.

From the bed of Garth Daniels – Monash University Teaching Hospital.

I have been shackled to a bed in four-point restraint for nine weeks… given intramuscular injections which cause akathisia (inability to sit or stand still, also known as restless legs syndrome). Then given a drug to prevent deep vein thrombosis (DVT) – causing itching and hives on the skin – which you cannot scratch because you are shackled to a bed.

What they don’t tell you is that the DVT drug is actually to prevent DVT caused by the intramuscular injection drug Acuphase which actually can give rise to DVT.

Then because of the violent reaction of akathisia you spit and scream at staff – you are labelled violent – then your carers are told you are in a life threatening situation – they must release you from restraints. And, the only way you will be released from restraint is to be shocked – SHOCKED with an electrical current to your brain to quell your violent behaviour which they attribute to your chronic condition they call treatment resistant schizophrenia.

You are beaten up by another patient who breaks your arm and your finger when you are allowed out of restraint. They call Code Black – police arrive – they shackle you to the bed again. No one asks you what happened; they just assume you did it because you are labelled violent. You are given a further blood clotting prevention drug in your stomach but you bleed from the wounds inflicted by the patient who by now is discharged. Just 12 shocks for you Garth. That should quieten you down. Then you are told we are going to lock you away and give you clozapine. Don’t worry about your heart and you certainly don’t need to worry about your brain, we’ve got that under our control mate.

My crime? Twenty years ago when I was twenty years old, I took some recreational drugs and did some stupid things. Then the Mental Health system in Victoria thought they knew how to fix my drug problem, with even more dangerous drugs than the ones that got me into trouble in the first place. The authorities forced these drugs and restraints on me without my consent. You can do that legally in Gulag Victoria in 2015. This could happen to your kids or you or anyone who gets caught up in our ironically named mental health system. Once you are labelled a mental deviant they can throw away the keys, lock you up and shock you until your memories are gone too.

Source: https://mediaconnections.com.au/press-r ... a-in-2015/

"LOUISE MILLIGAN: Although Garth initially agreed to being restrained to control his aggressive outbursts, at one stage earlier this year he was strapped to his bed for more than 60 days in a row."

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4374913.htm

I think 60 days in a row means for some time every day. I know when psychiatry says people agreed to things it usually means they gave in to threats and coercion and it seems like he made that agreement choosing the lesser of 3 evils trying to avoid the disabling ECT shocks and the drugs.

Bottom line, psychiatry today is just as nasty as in the past if not worse.

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But chemical imbalances are non existent.

The story about Garth Daniels sounds horrible. However, it's not surprising, just sickening. I've seen how people in this field treat people, when they can really sic their claws into them. It's Luciferian.

A lot of people have committed no illegal offense, when they get the courts to agree to send them in on legal orders. It's a way to imprison people you don't like, with not enough evidence, who haven't committed a crime. A way to get around the legal prison system I think.

Because these imprisonments don't need you have to of committed a crime to get sentenced by the government, they can just keep pressing the citizen further into their system machine. It's a beast and devours people, like this guy.

God bless you, in the name of Jesus to escape these things and be worthy to stand before the son of man.

Copy_Cat wrote:What about the word "medication?" Does it ease your mind by conjuring up images of some benign cough syrup prescribed by a kindly family doctor ? Nothing could be further from the truth. The word neuroleptic, literally “nerve seizing,” was used to describe the effects of these drugs before they renamed them anti psychotic "medication".

It's even more odd when they refer to it as "Medicine"

Might be a bit besides the point of this discussion here, but does anyone else hate how (some) people put so much faith in "prescription drugs" whilst simultaneously shunning anyone who uses "recreational drugs"? Classic example of putting too much faith in authority, and believing everything they say.

Interesting video...

For the record... there was actually a thread on the Schizophrenia forum which spoke about how certain foods influence how intense the person hears the voices, and how intense their delusions are. Which is to say that at least some people with Psychosis may have physical causes going on: https://bbrfoundation.org/brain-matters ... izophrenia