Psychiatric coercion using terroristic threats.

Coercion is defined as “any action or threat of actions which compels the patient to do something they don't want too"

(Terrorism- the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization).

Though many states criminalize making a “terrorist” threat, it isn't always necessary for the person's threat to cause someone else to experience fear or terror. The actions of the accused are what determine whether a crime has been committed, and it is not always dependent on the emotions of others. In some states, however, making someone afraid or terrified as a result of your threat is enough to make it a terrorist threat.

Unlike the offense of "menacing," the victim (or victims) does not have to be placed in reasonable apprehension of immediate injury.

Lets look up menacing

The definition of the criminal offense of Menacing varies by state. (1) A person commits the crime of menacing if by word or conduct the person intentionally attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

Take these pills or you will be injected (with neuroleptics) ... How do you feel about that ?


"Imminent serious physical injury"






Neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS) is a life-threatening neurological disorder most often caused by an adverse reaction to neuroleptic or antipsychotic drugs. NMS typically consists of muscle rigidity, fever, autonomic instability, and cognitive changes such as delirium, and is associated with elevated plasma creatine phosphokinase.

The first symptoms of neuroleptic malignant syndrome are usually muscle cramps and tremors, fever, symptoms of autonomic nervous system instability such as unstable blood pressure, and alterations in mental status (agitation, delirium, or coma). Once symptoms appear, they may progress rapidly and reach peak intensity in as little as three days. These symptoms can last anywhere from eight hours to forty days. The muscular symptoms are most likely caused by blockade of the dopamine receptor D2, leading to abnormal function of the basal ganglia similar to that seen in Parkinson's disease.


I would like to say we need a law against threatening, coercing , menacing and terrorizing patients but we already have those laws.


My next time online I am going to take a look at the patient bill of rights and see what it says but I think patients are already "protected" from the every day common practice of coercing patients into compliance by using threats of dangerous painful injections of mind numbing drugs with a long list of health hazards including death.

Well, apparently in Canada you can accept or refuse treatment, if you are capable of making treatment decisions. Also you can leave the hospital, if you are a voluntary patient.

http://settlement.org/ontario/health/pa ... h-patient/

I think that's the case in the UK as well. A guy that I know told me once that they can't hold you if you sign yourself in.

They can't give you ECT against your will here anymore either.

NoM8s wrote:if you are capable of making treatment decisions.

Who decides that ? LOL

Doesn't matter your rights because no one bothers explaining them. Threatening patients who don't like the effects and "side" effects of their pill lobotomy with the state hospital and forced injections is the common practice.

I think that the way that the Mental Health Act is worded it's the nurses and not the doctors that are expected to give you information so that you can make informed decisions. "Being capable" would be understanding what they're saying and either assenting to it or refusing it. They can just keep you detained for the six weeks whether you take the medication or not if they section you. Not entirely sure what happens after that but if you haven't accepted treatment and aren't considered sane enough to walk the streets again until you do you could be in there for life mate.

NoM8s wrote:They can just keep you detained for the six weeks whether you take the medication or not if they section you. Not entirely sure what happens after that but if you haven't accepted treatment and aren't considered sane enough to walk the streets again until you do you could be in there for life mate.

I think most people inpatient who are "acutely psychotic" (thats a billing term) would settle down just fine in a day or two without the chemical assault with the nueroleptics like Hadol and Risperdal.

I would have if they let me be and skipped nasty get naked in front of strangers feet on cold dirty floor strip search and the needle threats that came later, unbelievable people are treated this way.

Most everyone who ends up inpatient had a nervous breakdown from life's stressors and or was abusing alcohol or drugs or was having withdrawals or side effects from the psychiatric drugs they were recklessly prescribed in the first place.

I had a nervous breakdown that I made worse by drinking heavily all day for over a week. I guess my withdrawals and mental state could have been called "acutely psychotic" but all I needed was one sober good nights rest to start quickly recovering from that. I wasnt tripping that bad, I knew damn well that drinking not doing me any good and I better goto the hospital get detox and get back on that sober wagon.

I knew damn well how addicted I was to benzodiazapines and ADHD drugs and how zombified I was on Zyprexa and how sick I was coming off it that the very last thing I was going to let them do was toxify my body with any of that "meds" crap again.

I got that first nights sleep and I think a second before they came at me with the threats of assault by needle if I didn't take Haldol , oxcarbazepine an anticonvulsant drug used to treat epilepsy !! and 800 mg of Seroquel every day. 800mg ! 50 knocks me out cold and causes nasty restless leg akathisia.


An anticonvulsant drug used to treat epilepsy... What can happen if you take this oxcarbazepine "mood" crap for a wile and quit ? SEIZURES !!!!

Do I need to post a video of what a seizure looks like ?

So that "doctor" kept coming at me with the terroristic threats of a forced injection of an un-named drug trying to coerce me into taking all that crap. That SOB doctor even put a chemical restraint order legal form on the table in my view to enhance the terrorism effect. I continued to refuse and the coercive threats by staff at line up and take pills time continued.

I didn't know if that doctor was going to order a needle assault but I was not going to endure the effects of Haldol and Oxcarbazepine pills. My life my body the only one I got. Pretty horrible, all I could do is have some pretty evil revenge fantasies about what I was going to do them after I got out of that place if they assaulted me and violated my body with a needle, my inner sacred space that's mine and mine only.

The nightmare came to an end a few weeks later when they were done abusing my insurance benefits and I was not needle assaulted but what they did was terrorism.

This terrorism they call "help" I believe is the reason that in the week following discharge from a psychiatric hospital, people are at dramatically higher risk for suicide than any other time ! Suicide is not my thing but I believe that nasty experience drives some people over the edge. post-discharge suicide was most frequent in the first 2 weeks after leaving hospital; the highest number occur on the first day. Screw the world if that's what they call help, never again, good-buy. If the dead could speak that might be the explanation.

http://www.google.com/search?q=suicide+after+hospital+discharge

I think my post expressed to much anger at being treated like that, how can I really explain the terror fear anxiety panic of having to chose between ingesting those horrible dangerous drugs or being needle assaulted by force all this inside a place where you can't run away AND see other people being assaulted by staff and the screams.

Psychiatry needs to clean up its act and start helping more people than they disable and kill.

I had a breakdown years ago and I drank so much that I ended up in hospital in agony. I was hooked on valium as well. My GP was all for sending me to that community drugs team lot but I just said give me something for the alcohol withdrawl and reduce me off the valium. I did it myself. A bit too fast maybe but I was cutting those tablets in half so I was taking a milligram less every day. The dreams that I was having were wild and really lucid. I knew that I was dreaming and it would get really freaky and I would try to wake myself up.

I've had doctors and nurses telling me that they think that I'm depressed and refused treatment for that loads of times. Not interested but I was desperate when I started having really bad anxiety attacks and I would have taken anything to stop them. The shrinks at the outpatient place that I went to were nice enough and the side effects from the Seroxat weren't that bad.

It's maybe different if you go in with psychosis. I just say nay to all of those questions about whether I hear voices or think about killing myself and they don't treat me like a mad person. If I get into it with them about losing my grip on reality a bit I just tell them that I've been reading Nietzsche and as I most likely know more about metaphysics than a shrink does they don't want to get into a debate with me about whether things actually exist and what that means anyway.

NoM8s wrote:I had a breakdown years ago and I drank so much that I ended up in hospital in agony. I was hooked on valium as well.

You were lucky they didn't start you on one of there so called "non addictive" chemical nightmares like those 'mood stabilizers', epilepsy drugs with all kind of nasty effects and that can cause siezures during withdrawal from them or one of the ultimate nightmares Zyprexa - Olanzapine that robs your ability to feel joy and motivation (anhedonia) and when you can't live with the anhedonia anymore and try and quit those withdrawal reactions from hell, worse than valium come your way.

Thats how they MAKE chronic mental patients. They never rewind the tape and notice that before people got psychiatry and psychotropic drugs in their lives they were NOT ending up in the hospital.

NoM8s wrote:side effects from the Seroxat

Oops , Paxil - Seroxat is one of their so called "non addictive" chemical nightmares.



In a review of studies on SSRIs and alcohol dependence, researchers found the drugs actually led to an increase in alcohol consumption in some groups.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23796469

Driven To Drink: Antidepressants and Cravings for Alcohol http://rxisk.org/driven-to-drink-antidepressants-and-cravings-for-alcohol/

I know alot more now but I knew enough of how the keep you sick scam works when I had my final screw up with alcohol years ago but these "doctors" and hospitals are so bent on drugging the hell out of everyone they go right on making terroristic threats and assaulting people who refuse their nasty treatments.

And I was never so called bipolar, I don't get depressed or "manic" I had an anxiety problem and all psychiatry did for me was turn me into an addict with the benzos and make me sick with the so called non addictive crap. Crooked doctors at these hospitals name addiction , withdrawals, post acute withdrawals , psychiatric drug side effects ... All that stuff is "bipolar" what a sick joke.

Also way back in my story I am labelled "ADHD" and got addicted to that crap too. Started off OK but try waking up without an Adderal or Ritalin after taking it for a wile, you cant even function.

Even this website is evidence of more harm than good, go into the other forums and start reading, you read: psychiatry's drugs are not working, the drugs are making me sick with 'side' effects, help ! I am having these nasty withdrawals,I hate this I feel like a zombie. You read that at least 20 times more often than "I feel better".

Well, the breakdown was over a girl and I was drinking a bit when I was seeing her but I've got a history of binge drinking and I was just drowning my sorrows and it got really out of hand because I was totally heartbroken. It was a long time ago but as I remember it the only side effect that I noticed from the Seroxat was it would take me ages to get to orgasm. It didn't really bother me because it wasn't like I was impotent and I'm not really into quickies.

They told me that the Seroxat wouldn't work properly if I was using drugs and alcohol. The valium wasn't doing any good anymore and I do remember coming off that and switching to the Seroxat because I needed to be on something that isn't addictive and it isn't. You can argue semantics about that but it's nothing like using dope because you don't build up a tolerance and crave it. I had no problems coming off it when I wanted to anyway.

Downers are about as effective at treating anxiety as booze is. My brother's been on valium for years and can't go anywhere without them and even then he's too paranoid to really go anywhere on his own. I think he's still on Olanzapine and is a bit like you say but he's a recovering heroin addict and was totally psychotic for a while, so it's sad that he's like he is now but at least he's more calm and rational than he was.

I didn't even want that crap that they give you to stop you from getting a buzz. Told them that I didn't see the point in it. It wasn't the buzz but the withdrawl that I was bothered about. If I was just alcohol dependant I would use valium for a few days for that but I was already on that, so I think They gave me lithium or something like that. Anyway, I got clean and sober, then off the Seroxat and didn't even smoke a joint again until I met my ex. I still drink beer but just can't every day anymore because my stomach won't handle it and I can't drink that much when I do because I'll just start feeling crap instead of drunk after a while.