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Scientific criticism of psychiatry

Postby Marian » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:27 pm

I'd like to ask people to contribute scientific and serious studies, research, articles that show psychiatry is on the wrong track. So no personal stories or conspirancy theories that can be done away with as "tin foil hatters"-stories.

Some ideas:

*Harrow's study: treatment with antipsychotics severely worsens outcomes for psychotic patients.
http://www.madinamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Harrow.pdf

*Bob Withaker explains with references to scientific studies how meds make problems worse and cause psychiatric diseases. http://www.cchr.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy_of_an_Epidemic_Psychiatric_Drugs_Rise_of_Mental_Illness.pdf

*Benzodiazepines are (in my country) regularly prescribed against PTSD, while they worsen the outcome. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26164054

I do realize that some of the organisations posting the articles are anti-meds, but the articles themselves are neutral and scientific and based on evidence.
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Re: Scientific criticism of psychiatry

Postby NoM8s » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:58 pm

Here's an article about trials of antipsychotics. possibly not exactly what you're looking for though because what they're testing for are "intolerable side effects" and how long it took before they occured.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa051688
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Re: Scientific criticism of psychiatry

Postby Marian » Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:02 pm

This article summarizes three studies that show psychiatry is on the wrong track and change is necessary.

Harrow's is already summarized above. It's a 20 year naturalistic study showing that psychotic and schizophrenic patients off meds do much better in every single way (psychotic relapses, functional outcomes) than patients on meds. This is true for every subgroup, even the most risky groups.

Wunderink has done a randomized study, where patients were either put in a "discontinue meds group" or a "continu meds group" and followed for seven years. After 2 years, there were no differences in relapse rates and the off meds group had much better overall, functional outcomes (social=emotional functioning, professional functioning, etcetera), which is what counts! Many were completely recovered without drugs.

Open dialogue is a treatment in psychiatry, in Finland, set up by psychologist (!) Jaakko Seikkula which doesn't even put first episode patients on drugs in the first place. First they try to help them with psychosocial methods. Only if that fails, people are put on drugs. 67% of patients never have been on meds in the 5 years from their first psychosis. 80% of all patients recover without needing drugs (anymore). Only 20% need drugs longterm to function. In my country, these rates are totally different: some 98%-99% of inpatients are put on drugs and only 16% can find drugfree recovery after a first episode psychosis.

Time for psychiatry to change it's ways!

https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/07/harrow-wunkerlink-open-dialogue-an-evidence-based-mandate-for-a-new-standard-of-care/
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Re: Scientific criticism of psychiatry

Postby Marian » Sun Feb 14, 2016 4:24 pm

In 1979 a WHO study showed there was a major difference in outcome between patients with schizophrenia in developped and developping countries: those in developping countries did much better. The major difference was their use in antipsychotic meds: where only a small percentage of people were maintained on meds (developping countries), people fared better in all ways then were people were regularly maintained on meds (developped country). Patients had "an exceptionally good social outcome" in developping countries.

Eli Lilly repeated the studies in recent days. The differences disappeared. Now, almost all patients in all countries were maintained on meds. The exceptionally good outcomes of people in developping countries has disappeared.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201005/schizophrenia-mystery-solved

For depression psychiatry shows the same type of results. Patients not treated with medication show better longterm results than people treated with meds. Antidepressants cause many problems, such as making an otherwise temporary depression chronic and treatment resistant.

http://robertwhitaker.org/robertwhitaker.org/Depression.html
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Re: Scientific criticism of psychiatry

Postby TruthSpeaker » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:33 am

There is no illness. It is a BS, a societal construct like Santa Claus, Heaven, Hell, and Bogey man.
sources (they lead to authorities that said it):
1. http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/10/dsm-e ... rs-most-ce
2. **mod edit**

There is no treatment. It is a BS, a societal construct to make you feel comfortable and stay there.



Scientific truth: You have been identified as someone who misbehaves and complained about.
Corrupt doctors exist whose job is to give you a toxicity-induced brain-damage so that you will not be able to behave or misbehave. You will be apathethic, flat, and you lose normal brain functions. There are no abnormal functions of the brain. Nothing is found on x-ray, mri, or ct scan. The only reason you get coerced to expose yourself to one or more toxic harmful substances is to damage your brain tissues and remove normal brain functions. You will then be dominated by anyone and everyone, easily pushed into doing anything others say. They say dance and you gotta dance. Understood? That is toxicity-induced brain damage, and you should google that all those drugs are toxic pills and those for injections are stronger toxic substances than those ingested orally.

In every single case, those are healthy people who get targeted because they misbehave or have misbehaved long enough to make someone angry about it and report it. After the harm is inflicted to your body, you don't wish to know what... I strongly believe all people take their revenge, directly or indirectly, sooner or later.

You can't give so much crap to people and expect they just take it. You do this and something's gonna happen. Have you seen the shooting sprees and bombings in the US? The case of a pilot who got harmed with toxicity (using SSRIs) and revenged by taking down all people with him, plane navigated to the ground. Every time the crap comes back at the society. I would strongly recommend not harming anyone, and instead merely giving injunctions or restraining orders so that those who complained will not see the person who they dislike again. A written notice of warning before any injuction would do. You do not like someone's behavior, but that does not give you the right to mutilate his brain. I am telling you these shootings and other horrible aftermaths will be more and more often. Stupid people!
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