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Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

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Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:51 am

Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or is it the currupt industry ? (that was to big for the title)

That argument that guns don't kill people , people do, would go with the latter.


What do you all think ?

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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby NoM8s » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:05 am

Well, if they give me the wrong script it's either the quack or the pharmacist that screwed up. If you get lucky you might get Dihydrocodeine and you can sell them to junkies.

What was the question again? Are you begging the question a bit by assuming that "drugs are bad"? Which drugs are you talking about and do you mean psychotropic substances in general? Would you include mariguana in that? Assume that I'm self medicating because medicinal marijuana isn't available from my local pharmacist yet.
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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Copy_Cat » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:51 am

NoM8s wrote:What was the question again? Are you begging the question a bit by assuming that "drugs are bad"? Which drugs are you talking about and do you mean psychotropic substances in general? Would you include mariguana in that? Assume that I'm self medicating because medicinal marijuana isn't available from my local pharmacist yet.



Imagine that me a supporter of the drug war and the police state crap that comes with it, no way dude.

I am not a fan of drug pushing like the way psychiatry was does it with lies. I fell for that low serotonin scam took those effing pills got all screwed up. The tell people there brains are broken, with no scientific proof, and the drugs "correct" it.

All I advocate is informed consent to treatment. Great page on that if anyone want to see it >> https://kellybroganmd.com/consent-form-for-psychiatric-drug-treatment/

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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Marian » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:08 am

What a good informed consent form! Wow! I wish someone had showed me that before I started meds! That's really informative and should be shown by every psychiatrist.

I'm btw considering growing my own CBD rich marijuana if I don't succeed at withdrawing from haldol... :)
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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby NoM8s » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:12 pm

Would a will be valid if the "being of sound mind" clause was removed? Would a contract be legally binding if one of the signitaries was certified non compus mentus?

There are serious legal implications if you start obliging doctors to obtain written consent before they can treat a patient. "Mentally ill man dies in police cell because he was too confused to sign a form agreeing to medical treatment". Under what circumstances would this be necessary? A beta blocker could be prescribed for high blood pressure or anxiety. Valium could be prescribed for back pain.
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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Copy_Cat » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:41 pm

NoM8s wrote:Would a will be valid if the "being of sound mind" clause was removed? Would a contract be legally binding if one of the signitaries was certified non compus mentus?



Search = Psychiatric Living Will http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatric+living+will

Add some more keywords to the search maybe too.

See if you can find out, the answer is probably on page 4, 5 or 6 of search results where like no one looks.

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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Marian » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:51 pm

Of course, there are situations when you can't possible give people information like this and ask for their informed consent.

But to speak of my personal situation... the first time I started using benzo's, antipsychotics and antidepressants I was in a clear enough mind to sit and talk with them. They could have easily explained those things and should have. I even asked for it and they gave me false information (no addiction, no blunting, no withdrawal, etc). If they had informed me well, I hadn't taken drugs and I probably wouldn't have gone psychotic. There are many many many cases were someone is started on meds and fully capable of deciding about something like that.

Even when I was fullblown psychotic, there were normally only 1 or 2 days I was really "not there". Even if they still decided to forcefully drug me for 1 or 2 days, after that I was fully aware again of choices and consequences and they could have me sign an informed consent or an "i know the risks of not taking meds and still I choose not to take them" form and then leave me alone with their ******* haldol.
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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Comp_Lex » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:57 pm

Ah, haldol, the kill or cure remedy. I understand your frustration.
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Re: Psychiatric drugs more harm than good or just the doctors ?

Postby Marian » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:05 pm

Thanks. Yeah, haldol is...worse than death. Certainly worse than psychosis. I don't even wish it on my worst enemies (okay, except maybe the psychiatrists who forced it on me :twisted:).
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