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Re: -WHY WHY WHY, WON'T YOU FIGHT BACK-

Postby NoM8s » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:11 am

Kindnesstherapy, attitudes to mental illness in this country(the UK) , just as atitudes towards "minorities" in general are changing and we do live in a liberal multicultural democracy. There are many activists involved in what you could broadly call a campaign for human rights and so many people are effected at some time by mental health problems that it's really a major issue and it is being debated. It does take people being prepared to talk publicly about their very personal issues and what they've been through though. It does take demanding that it needs to be taken as seriously as physical health and from what I've seen in this subforum, there are many in this movement that deny that there is such a thing as mental illness or that they are sick. If you want to take that position then it ceases to be an excuse for anything and you set the clock back and punish psychotics and psychopaths equally and have no more sympathy for someone that's having a psychotic episode than you have for someone that loses their temper.
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Re: -WHY WHY WHY, WON'T YOU FIGHT BACK-

Postby goinggoinggone » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:04 am

Because they shocked the $#%^ out of my brain.

now I am a sheep....baaaaa baaaas

The only way to defeat them is to NOT speak about it and announce your game plan to them.

"We'll come from the shadows"
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Postby KINDNESSTHERAPY » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:43 pm

-goinggoinggone- etc.... I have spent many years and thousands of dollar of my own money to no avail, plus the restrictions of some of the ***mod edit***, has made it impossible to post my helpful ideas on my personal blog etc.... I was so close in really helping those that wanted to be helped, you are correct in that very few truly want to be helped.... The mental illness and or drugs and or therapy etc. etc. etc., make it seems that very few want real help... This is why the MENTAL HEALTH INDUSTRY will never run out of clients, this is such a crime.....
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Postby Riccola » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:29 pm

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:-goinggoinggone- etc.... I have spent many years and thousands of dollar of my own money to no avail, plus the restrictions of some of the ***mod edit***, has made it impossible to post my helpful ideas on my personal blog etc.... I was so close in really helping those that wanted to be helped, you are correct in that very few truly want to be helped.... The mental illness and or drugs and or therapy etc. etc. etc., make it seems that very few want real help... This is why the MENTAL HEALTH INDUSTRY will never run out of clients, this is such a crime.....



In my experience I regret to say psychiatry brainwashes its patients to reject anything outside of mainstream therapy or the therapy they are receiving at the moment. In fact some patients are covertly conditioned to become triggered when met with genuine empathy or therapy that will help them recover in some way as was my case. The PTSD mechanisms, the need to talk, the need to be heard, underlying suggestibility, ect ect are all exploited to produce a thought complex where anything that is actually conducive to ones well being triggers a series of emotional and behavioral reflexes to reject it. The drugs in themselves produce extreme suggestibility with exceptional apathy.

I was told I can not diagnose myself, I was told my thinking was grandiose, I was told I was delusional, that I was brainwashed, that I was paranoid, that I would harm myself, that I lived inside a fantasy, it did not make sense, I did not have a degree in psychiatry, 'lets agree to disagree'... on and on when ever I brought introspectiveness to myself or challenged what the psychiatrist / therapist said.


I've long believed those at the top know the causes and have the cures to most mental illness but actually use that same knowledge to bury the truth in order to keep peddling inhuman treatment that has absolutely no intent other than to rake in obscene profit at the expense of human lives. And I have long believed that psychiatry also doubles as a tool to dispose of anyone who has ideas or political views going against mainstream thought.
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Postby Lola12345678 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:00 pm

The phrase "poisoning the well" ultimately alludes to the medieval European myth that the black plague was caused by Jews poisoning town wells—a myth which was used as an excuse to persecute Jews.

The phrase "mental illness" ultimately alludes to the myth that bad behavior is caused by an illness causing one to lose control over his behavior and give control to the illness to dictate behavior instead-a myth which is being used as an excuse to persecute all people who are perceived as enemies by the facilitators of the witch-hunt.

And always, witch-hunts were/are facilitated by the top person in power who wants to get rid of people he does not like. Globally, across all countries, people with certain behaviors are disliked by those in power. And the powerful politicians absolutely do not care about what the problem of each individual is. They care only about obedient behaviors and will use all coercion and all torture available including to immediately inflict a permanent brain damage. Just a few decades ago they mercilessly did lobotomies by cutting against people's will into their head, just to disable them.

So this is what all people in power do to all others, they teach people not to defend and they enforce obedience by all means available. Obedience means if you think anything different than others, you are committing heresy and will be tortured incl. to death by your country.

Look it up, heresy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy
Political witch hunt, absolutely read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt

Right now there is a search for people labeled "ill" or evidence of "illness", often involving moral panic or mass hysteria. (The public is whipped into fear to label anyone they disagree with as "ill" and the government then burns the "ill" to death via toxic poison)
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Postby Lola12345678 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:09 am

I just found an article "terror breeds terror". It is the first article of its kind. It explains many people get terrorized by the government and gives examples of the very few who fight back against the terrorist government: http://nationalvanguard.org/2016/06/ter ... rspective/

It kind of makes me understand way beyond what I thought was available. We have lying corrupt media and lying propaganda from terrorist governments everywhere. This article could be one of the few that delivers [forbidden] information.

So the war on terrorism therefore is a war against people on the home front. War against civil liberties of own citizens. War against citizens' rights.

Donald Trump is the first politician who says he will put people before the government again. It is one chance people have to fight back. What the government calls terrorism is when people react to being terrorized by the terrorist government.
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Postby Riccola » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:18 pm

Interesting article, and I regret saying its much the same with psychiatry. Treat people as mentally ill and they will become mentally ill. Put people in an abusive, insane environment and they will become insane. They will become angry and some do fight back. Both responses are then used to re-inforce the notion they are ill or can't be cured.
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Postby KINDNESSTHERAPY » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:36 pm

-Riccola- etc. etc. etc... I have spent years trying to figure out how to present my ideas that might help you and others with mental illness and other disorders and diseases etc. etc. etc.... You and others might be helped a little and or a lot with some of my ideas, I do not want to give false hope and or make people worse off than they are etc....

This morning while reading -Riccola- post the answer I have been looking for hit me like a ton of bricks.... Instead of trying to give people a complicated answer and or ideas etc... that they might understand and or misinterpret and or bogged down by the complexity of what I was trying to get across etc.... Here is a simple formula that can be understood by almost everybody...

-FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- are produced by our bodies about 2% of the time and if we try to be positive etc... in our behavior we might bring it up to 5% of the time etc... (This is my opinion, I am not a professional of any kind)... Now, here is the formula that might help -YOU-, If you can produce -FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- in your body from 2% to 5% of the time to 10% or higher of your time this might help -YOU-.... These -FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- such as (Serotonin and Dopamine and Oxytocine and Endorphin etc...) If -YOU- use the following -WORDS- and -IDEAS- in your everyday routine -YOU- will see positive results because -YOU- will increase your production of -FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- which should help -YOU-... So not to take up space in this forum I will give -YOU- more information on my personal blog in this forum...
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Re: -WHY WHY WHY, WON'T YOU FIGHT BACK-

Postby Riccola » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:51 pm

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:-Riccola- etc. etc. etc... I have spent years trying to figure out how to present my ideas that might help you and others with mental illness and other disorders and diseases etc. etc. etc.... You and others might be helped a little and or a lot with some of my ideas, I do not want to give false hope and or make people worse off than they are etc....

This morning while reading -Riccola- post the answer I have been looking for hit me like a ton of bricks.... Instead of trying to give people a complicated answer and or ideas etc... that they might understand and or misinterpret and or bogged down by the complexity of what I was trying to get across etc.... Here is a simple formula that can be understood by almost everybody...

-FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- are produced by our bodies about 2% of the time and if we try to be positive etc... in our behavior we might bring it up to 5% of the time etc... (This is my opinion, I am not a professional of any kind)... Now, here is the formula that might help -YOU-, If you can produce -FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- in your body from 2% to 5% of the time to 10% or higher of your time this might help -YOU-.... These -FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- such as (Serotonin and Dopamine and Oxytocine and Endorphin etc...) If -YOU- use the following -WORDS- and -IDEAS- in your everyday routine -YOU- will see positive results because -YOU- will increase your production of -FEEL GOOD CHEMICALS- which should help -YOU-... So not to take up space in this forum I will give -YOU- more information on my personal blog in this forum...



If we replaced trauma based therapy and brain disablement based therapy with empathy based therapy I think we would move mountains. Same if empathy was everywhere. If mental illness is the result of chronic trauma (I believe it is for many imo) main stream psychiatry is only trying to solve problems with the same thinking that created them. Once that key piece is understood, everything becomes apparent. Both psychiatry's current state and the answers to its improvement.
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Re: -WHY WHY WHY, WON'T YOU FIGHT BACK-

Postby Lola12345678 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:06 pm

It is a political witch-hunt on bad behavior and torture inflicted on these innocent people to disable them by damaging their brain.

Those are terrorism and tyranny, not therapies. They are out to disable/mutilate people, not treat. Their motivation is political, not medical. Their cause is hating misbehavior, not any nonexistent illnesses. Responsible is the government, then charlatans, then people who make calls to these charlatans and complain about somebody's misbehavior.

***mod edit*** should target government politicians and medical charlatans, and the specific people who provoke charlatans into coming for somebody, not target innocent individuals.

People are the only species who insist on dictating each other the behavior all the time. It is a tyranny & a prison when you are dictated to how to behave. Behavior should be free, natural, and if it was natural and you would meet somebody dictating you how to behave near him, he is killing you / oppressing / terrorizing / tyrannizing. Outsmart all tyrants, always stab them in the back, then live free & prosper. Do it in any way you can devise of.
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