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Marian wrote:

NoM8s wrote:NY Times says forced administration of haldol to political prisoners in Russia is "spiritual murder"...why isn't administration of haldol to someone with a trauma not the same...since the result is the same?

Psychiatry is ignorant of nothing greater, or to any higher degree, then trauma. The true effects of trauma on the human brain are completely scrubbed from psychiatric literature. And they have to be in order for the business model to work. No one sees the treatment as traumatic since even the best literature says nothing about it. When treatment is traumatic, it does not help the patient, it makes them worse. When the patient worsens, they require more of the same treatment psychiatry has to offer and in turn more profit. The patient never gets better.


Further, many experts in the field of trauma study believe a good portion of mental disorders are caused by trauma. Classical psychiatry does not hold this view and most trauma disorders have symptom presentation which overlaps other disorders in the DSM, typically those which would normally be associated with the chemical imbalance theory. Add to that psychiatrists debating the legitimacy of trauma theories.

End result is a system which neither acknowledges or knows how to treat trauma, but also goes as far as inflicting it.

There's traditionally a legal problem with psychological trauma. According to the philosopher J S Mill, it does not count as harm. It's a liberal principle used to defend freedom of speach and expression among other things.

When managing patients that may be violent it's more important to avoid physical injury. Being incarcerated against your will is going to be traumatic in any event. If it takes a team of big blokes to do it more safely you getting upset about that is better than there being a struggle with someone that can't just restrain you.

I think psychiatry is completely on the wrong track and purposefully blocks all the evidence that it is so.

All the patients that I met in psychiatry had an obvious trauma or longterm emotional stress (except for one that had TBI). Psychiatry did nothing with their trauma and also refused to treat mine, despite many requests to do so. Until this day only a psychologist diagnosed me with PTSD. The psychiatrists that I met did not listen at all at their patients and were only adding to the trauma and helplessness, chemically and by the way they handled them. Never did they try and understand the causes of the problem and help people solve those (I asked explicitly and they said they did not know, I was asking difficult questions and they would not do anything about them). Never did they acknowledge they were causing trauma themselves.

Indeed, Riccola, which patient in their right mind would seek out a heart surgeon that knows nothing of the heart, doesn't care what the problem is or if there even is a physical problem and randomly starts to inflict damage on the heart to try and fix it... I'd run from a surgeon like that, just like I tried to run from psychiatry. Which is the reason psychiatry is the only branch of medicine in need of force and violence to coerce people into "treatment". If they really helped people, people would want to be treated by them.

They did not only do psychological damage, which is worse enough in its own right. They did brain damage severe enough for me to be completely unable to function as a human being.

Meds btw even cause brain changes in short term use. I'd rather have a glass of alcohol to cover up my anxiety than a benzo... it's more safe.

I did ask my doctor for help. Four years I tried that. He had nothing to offer and only inflicted more and more damage, while refusing to help with my problems. I have more faith in those so called "conspirancy theorists". They have good science behind them and what they say reflects what I have seen for myself. I do have two people really helping me - an endocrinologue helping with the hormonal issues psychiatry caused. And a psychologist helping with the emotional trauma psychiatry caused. Unfortunately I could not find anyone to help out with the brain damage they caused...nobody knows enough about that to really fix it, even my psychiatrist now admitted.

Alcohol is more physically damaging. Brain damage isn't necessarily someone's main concern when using these things.

NoM8s wrote:There's traditionally a legal problem with psychological trauma. According to the philosopher J S Mill, it does not count as harm. It's a liberal principle used to defend freedom of speach and expression among other things.

When managing patients that may be violent it's more important to avoid physical injury. Being incarcerated against your will is going to be traumatic in any event. If it takes a team of big blokes to do it more safely you getting upset about that is better than there being a struggle with someone that can't just restrain you.

In such cases I will admit use of restraint is better then nothing, however that in itself is not problem imo. The abuse comes from treatment in general and the system which is often nothing more then warehousing patients or torturing them. What does painful ECT do when the patient just relapses? What does aversion therapy do when the original problem is never addressed? Corrupt hospitals that lie in order to fill empty beds or keep existing patients longer? The treatments simply dont work at best, at worst they leave the patient disabled or traumatized.


This speaks for hospitals in general imo, they can not tell the difference between sane and insane. And where profit counts, why would that be an issue?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

Alcohol is more physically damaging. Brain damage isn't necessarily someone's main concern when using these things.

People can consent to drinking, many patients can not.

A lot of that has changed in this country anyway. I know a little a bit about what goes on in these places because my sister is a psychiatric nurse. One job that she had was working with "problem children". She said that it was very trying and it was all about trying to treat kids that hadn't had the best upbringing with kindness, even when they were being very difficult.

NoM8s wrote:sister is a psychiatric nurse.

What does she think of this anti psychiatry ?

Bet she would like this video , Arguments, expert opinion and data against the myth of mental illness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOScYBwMyAA

You can learn alot in 48 minutes. I posted this as a thread title once asking everyone if anything was not true and no one spotted anything.

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Marian wrote:I think psychiatry is completely on the wrong track and purposefully blocks all the evidence that it is so.

All the patients that I met in psychiatry had an obvious trauma or longterm emotional stress (except for one that had TBI). Psychiatry did nothing with their trauma and also refused to treat mine, despite many requests to do so. Until this day only a psychologist diagnosed me with PTSD. The psychiatrists that I met did not listen at all at their patients and were only adding to the trauma and helplessness, chemically and by the way they handled them. Never did they try and understand the causes of the problem and help people solve those (I asked explicitly and they said they did not know, I was asking difficult questions and they would not do anything about them). Never did they acknowledge they were causing trauma themselves.

I was exactly in the same position as you for years. Technically to some degree I still am. Trauma was about the last thing they could grasp and many of them even seemed irritated when I would tell them my symptoms arose from that. The more I tried to explain it to them in plain english the worse I appeared to them. To them my introspectiveness seemed like delusions, if not offensive to their credentials. They repteadly tried to indirectly get the idea across I was defective. They tried everything to derail my train of thought while brainwashing me they were right and I was wrong. They made me feel guilty for not seeing it the way the did. That alone hurt, becuse it felt like they were either devalueing my pain, or blaming me for having it.

Indeed, Riccola, which patient in their right mind would seek out a heart surgeon that knows nothing of the heart, doesn't care what the problem is or if there even is a physical problem and randomly starts to inflict damage on the heart to try and fix it... I'd run from a surgeon like that, just like I tried to run from psychiatry. Which is the reason psychiatry is the only branch of medicine in need of force and violence to coerce people into "treatment". If they really helped people, people would want to be treated by them.

Which is why patient should have the right to refuse treatment and the right to refuse medication. Its not working for everyone, and I think deep down most patients are well aware of that that hence refusal. Unfortunately psychiatry does not see refusal as knowledge, but rather combativeness manifesting from some sort of hypothetical illness. 'Either let us damage you, or we will use force to damage you'. Nobody can win going against such a system.

They did not only do psychological damage, which is worse enough in its own right. They did brain damage severe enough for me to be completely unable to function as a human being.

Meds btw even cause brain changes in short term use. I'd rather have a glass of alcohol to cover up my anxiety than a benzo... it's more safe.

Psychiatry only knows how to mask or disable problems, not fix them. Its easier to just control or damage people rather then spening the extra time, money and effort into effective treatment.

The meds without a doubt can have very serve side effects which doctors seem to hide.

I did ask my doctor for help. Four years I tried that. He had nothing to offer and only inflicted more and more damage, while refusing to help with my problems. I have more faith in those so called "conspirancy theorists".

I hate to say it, but labeling non main stream thought as conspiracy or delusonal is another byproduct of psychiatry. Psychiatry has long sought and long labelled anyone who does not think as they see fit. And they have too. How else can they discrdeit truth which is a threat to their bussiness model?

They have good science behind them and what they say reflects what I have seen for myself. I do have two people really helping me - an endocrinologue helping with the hormonal issues psychiatry caused. And a psychologist helping with the emotional trauma psychiatry caused. Unfortunately I could not find anyone to help out with the brain damage they caused...nobody knows enough about that to really fix it, even my psychiatrist now admitted.

I am glad that are at least getting some real help Once you begin to heal all ealse will gradually follow for the better.

There's a genuine problem taking these sorts of complaints about psychiatry seriously. A lot of this sort of thinking is done by tin foil hatters. I've read threads here myself that blamed it on jews and a conspiracy orchestrated by the united nations. Then somebody else pulls out UN reports condemning practices in psychiatry and it suddenly suits them to do that, which is incompatible with the conspiracy theory but that doesn't matter because thanks to the power of doublethink we can acomidate contradictory ideas in our heads effortlessly.