-WHY WHY WHY, WON'T YOU FIGHT BACK-

Like a gnat that wont go away. Passive aggressive little things.

NoM8s wrote:

NoM8s wrote: Tell me how pain is inflicted to keep patients in line

I did already.

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:-WHY WHY WHY, WON'T YOU FIGHT BACK-....

It is interesting how some people will allow themselves to be mistreated without even getting angry about it. Some of them almost LIKE IT ! lol

I have to dig into the web archive to show you all this page, here it is below.

Psychiatric Patients are Masochistic?

I hadn’t heard that. Many of the “psychiatric patients” that I have known do not enjoy psychiatry, seek out the harm, praise it, but there are those that do. In some cases, we refer to that as a form of Stockholm Syndrome. When one has been traumatized by and is estranged from one’s family, it can be attractive to seek “help” from infantilizing professionals who will absolve you of responsibility for healing by first convincing you that you cannot. It is exquisitely simple for psychiatry to grab hold of your pain and to arouse that sense of wrongness and brokenness contained within the traumatized child that you will not even acknowledge and to place their band-aid labels over your heart as you swallow their pain-dulling chemicals like the holy communion of your new religion, psychiatry…a religion that requires deference, compliance, and a belief that no one comes to mental health except by Them. These are the people who contend that anti-psychiatry is evil and that survivors of psychiatry do nothing but harm people.

This page is just great there is so much more here >> http://web.archive.org/web/201206070109 ... press.com/

So you did. They pricked you with a needle.

See when I was in hospital they inserted a urinary cathitur into my penis. I'm sure that they did it to torture and humiliate me. It incapacitated me for days, although to be fair I was pretty ill anyway. But now I'm like you and I won't go back there. I'm not letting them do that to me and they can shove their mind numbing tablets that make it all go away and let me sleep.

Actually, I can score my own valium, so I just figure that I would rather be lying in my own bed and not have a spike shoved up my old chap. I forgo the medical care because I would rather lie here and die than believe that an unpleasant stay in hospital will really help at all.

If they had actually treated a real illness, with real medicine, by a real doctor, with informed consent and good results...that would have been comparable. But a ward is not a hospital, a psychiatrist is not a doctor, haldol is not a medicine. They harm, not heal. Haldol makes you sicker, not better. Countries that use less meds, have better outcomes for patients. The meds are not there to heal patients. It's uncomparable.

Would you have accepted the cathitur if it made you sicker than you were to begin with?

You don't get a choice about whether you want a cathutur. Choice means very little when it's a matter of accepting treatment or not getting any and being too ill to argue.


"Haloperidol was considered indispensable for treating psychiatric emergency situations,[17][18] although the newer atypical drugs have gained greater role in a number of situations as outlined in a series of consensus reviews published between 2001 and 2005."

You say that it's not a medicine but I looked it up and it's used to treat a number of conditions, including physical ailments. There's also a huge list of possible side effects, some of which are terms that I don't understand. I'm not disputing your testimony but it is anecdotal and I don't know if you're taking side effects for standard effects of the drug.

Like I said, consult your doctor and he might possibly be a better source of information than internet conspiracy theorists.

NoM8s wrote:a better source of information

Excerpted from:

"The case against antipsychotic drugs: a 50-year record of doing more harm than good," by Robert Whitaker, author of Mad In America: Bad Medicine, Bad Science and the Enduring Mistreatment of the Mentally Ill.

Published in the journal Medical Hypotheses (2004) 62, 5–13

Preclinical

1883 Phenothiazines developed as synthetic dyes.

1934 USDA develops phenothiazines as insecticide.

1949 Phenothiazines shown to hinder rope-climbing abilities in rats.

1950 Rhone Poulenc synthesizes chlorpromazine, a phenothiazine, for use as an anesthetic.

Clinical history/standard neuroleptics

1954 Chlorpromazine, marketed in the US as Thorazine, found to induce symptoms of Parkinson’s disease.

1955 Chlorpromazine said to induce symptoms similar to encephalitis lethargica.

1959 First reports of permanent motor dysfunction linked to neuroleptics, later named tardive dyskinesia.

1960 French physicians describe a potentially fatal toxic reaction to neuroleptics, later named neuroleptic malignant syndrome.

1962 California Mental Hygiene Department determines that chlorpromazine and other neuroleptics prolong hospitalization.

1963 Six-week NIMH collaborative study concludes that neuroleptics are safe and effective “antischizophrenic” drugs.

1964 Neuroleptics found to impair learning in animals and humans.

1965 One-year followup of NIMH collaborative study finds drug-treated patients more likely than placebo patients to be rehospitalized.

1968 In a drug withdrawal study, the NIMH finds that relapse rates rise in direct relation to dosage. The higher the dosage that patients are on before withdrawal, the higher the relapse rate.

1972 Tardive dyskinesia is said to resemble Huntington’s disease, or “postencephalitic brain damage”.

1974 Boston researchers report that relapse rates were lower in pre-neuroleptic era, and that drugtreated patients are more likely to be socially dependent.

1977 A NIMH study that randomizes schizophrenia patients into drug and non-drug arms reports that only 35% of the non-medicated patients relapsed within a year after discharge, compared to 45% of those treated with medication.

1978 California investigator Maurice Rappaport reports markedly superior three-year outcomes for patients treated without neuroleptics. Only 27% of the drug-free patients relapsed in the three years following discharge, compared to 62% of the medicated patients.

1978 Canadian researchers describe drug-induced changes in the brain that make a patient more vulnerable to relapse, which they dub “neuroleptic induced supersensitive psychosis”.

1978 Neuroleptics found to cause 10% cellular loss in brains of rats.

1979 Prevalence of tardive dyskinesia in drug-treated patients is reported to range from 24% to 56%.

1979 Tardive dyskinesia found to be associated with cognitive impairment.

1979 Loren Mosher, chief of schizophrenia studies at the NIMH, reports superior one-year and two-year outcomes for Soteria patients treated without neuroleptics.

1980 NIMH researchers find an increase in “blunted effect” and “emotional withdrawal” in drugtreated patients who don’t relapse, and that neuroleptics do not improve “social and role performance” in non-relapsers.

1982 Anticholinergic medications used to treat Parkinsonian symptoms induced by neuroleptics reported to cause cognitive impairment.

1985 Drug-induced akathisia is linked to suicide.

1985 Case reports link drug-induced akathisia to violent homicides.

1987 Tardive dyskinesia is linked to worsening of negative symptoms, gait difficulties, speech impairment, psychosocial deterioration, and memory deficits. They conclude it may be both a “motor and dementing disorder”.

1992 World Health Organization reports that schizophrenia outcomes are much superior in poor countries, where only 16% of patients are kept continuously on neuroleptics. The WHO concludes that living in a developed nation is a “strong predictor” that a patient will never fully recover.

1992 Researchers acknowledge that neuroleptics cause a recognizable pathology, which they name neuroleptic induced deficit syndrome. In addition to Parkinson’s, akathisia, blunted emotions and tardive dyskinesia, patients treated with neuroleptics suffer from an increased incidence of blindness, fatal blood clots, arrhythmia, heat stroke, swollen breasts, leaking breasts, impotence, obesity, sexual dysfunction, blood disorders, skin rashes, seizures, and early death.

1994 Neuroleptics found to cause a swelling of the caudate region in the brain.

1994 Harvard investigators report that schizophrenia outcomes in the US appear to have worsened over past 20 years, and are now no better than in the first decades of 20th century.

1995 “Real world” relapse rates for schizophrenia patients treated with neuroleptics said to be above 80% in the two years following hospital discharge, which is much higher than in pre-neuroleptic era.

1995 “Quality of life” in drug-treated patients reported to be “very poor”.

1998 MRI studies show that neuroleptics cause hypertrophy of the caudate, putamen and thalamus, with the increase “associated with greater severity of both negative and positive symptoms”.

1998 Neuroleptic use is found to be associated with atrophy of cerebral cortex.

1998 Harvard researchers conclude that “oxidative stress” may be the process by which neuroleptics cause neuronal damage in the brain.

1998 Treatment with two or more neuroleptics is found to increase risk of early death.

2000 Neuroleptics linked to fatal blood clots.

2003 Atypicals linked to an increased risk of obesity, hyperglycemia, diabetes, and pancreatitis.

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All the evidence of more harm than good to the patient is out there, well known. Psychiatry is not really about the good of the patient, its about social control.


Read the symptoms of ADHD


1 Be disorganized
2 Lack focus
3 Have a hard time paying attention to details and a tendency to make careless mistakes. Their work might be messy and seem careless.
4 Have trouble staying on topic while talking, not listening to others, and not following social rules
5 Be forgetful about daily activities (for example, missing appointments, forgetting to bring lunch)
6 Be easily distracted by things like trivial noises or events that are usually ignored by others.

Source http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adhd-symptoms

Now read what they are really saying


1 It is unacceptable behavior to be disorganized

2 It is unacceptable behavior to lack focus

3 It is unacceptable behavior to have a hard time paying attention to details and a tendency to make careless mistakes. Their work might be messy and seem careless.

4 It is unacceptable behavior to have trouble staying on topic while talking, not listening to others, and not following social rules

5 It is unacceptable behavior to be forgetful about daily activities (for example, missing appointments, forgetting to bring lunch)

6 It is unacceptable behavior to be easily distracted by things like trivial noises or events that are usually ignored by others.


"Behavioral medicine" Millions of children on drugs. God help us.

Marian wrote:That doesn't sound to good either!

About the chemical castration thing... even when people have been judged psychopaths with a history of sexually abusing children I believe nobody should have the right to chemically castrate them. Locking them up, yes, chemically altering their body and mind, no.

In my case...I was an extreme pacifist, even more so in psychosis, and never harmed anyone. I think the measure they took - permanently altering my consciousness so that I can't feel love and joy, and thus any sense of meaning in life - is way beyond the idea of chemical castration and I would not wish it on the most extreme criminals.

It is imho more equal to killing someone than to castration.

They could have locked me up permanently, that would have been more humane. I think there is just no justification for what they are doing in psychiatry.

The sad truth is classical psychiatry does not know how to heal. It only knows how to disable relatively observed behaviors via some form of brain damage or negative stimulus. Nothing has changed, only how its done. The same mentality still exists at the core to this day being rampant. What makes it even worse (as thought its not already) that psychiatry has yet to come up with a solid explanation behind the cause and mechanisms of mental illness. Psychiatrists are treating problems which they do not even understand. Who else does this without damaging something in the process? I dont know how a missile defense system works, or how open heart surgery works, so I certainly don't expect the correct outcome if someone told me to go ahead and do my job at either of those.

On the other hand, it's effective if you're on a bad acid trip apparently. All of this research that you kindly posted is about long term usage. Is this relevant if we're talking about "emergency psychiatric situations"?

You could provide similar warnings about benzodiazapenes but in an emergency situation or if I'm just feeling anxious I know that I'm better off taking a valium than a drink. If I was having a panic attack they wouldn't need to hold me down and shoot me up with it. I'm not convinced that they even do that in hospitals here because my brother has a phobia of needles and never mentioned being given a liquid cosh at all.

Don't know what he's on now apart from diazapam and Mirtazapine but apparently that's used for antipsychotic induced akathisia and also social phobia, which he seems to be suffering from. The phobia I mean and he's been in hospital due to psychotic episodes. I've seen them and I've seen people when they were so delusional that they could have ended up dead without medical intervention.

Long term treatment with drugs is often problematical. I can't really see how this is inappropriate in emergency situations though and that could include short visits to hospital, forced or otherwise.