'Forced'...

Firstly, I aplogise for the odd spacing and spelling mistakes. I spent a long time composing in notepad and then editing this post, to end up being logged out and losing it. So you get the unedited version.

I have recently browsed quickly over a couple of threads in this forum and a word that appeared in the original posts of both threads that caught
my eye is 'forced'. I truely feel sorry for those of you being forced to take medication.

In the UK mental health teams (mostly run by the NHS) cannot force you to take anything you do not desire. I am more in control of what I take, when and
for what reasons than my psychiatrist is (no, I'm not talking about illegal drugs, though they can have their benefits). I used to activley refuse medication they tried to perscribe and I essentially perscibed
myself my current medication as my psychiatrist didn't want me on any due to the psychosis being fragmented. In this state it bypasses the effects of the drug
or maybe my dissociative mind chooses what effects it would like. I asked for something to help with sleep, to lower impulsivness as a result of insomnia, maybe
valium but was informed anti-psychotics are better tranqs than the general tranquilizers.

Going a bit off-topic, though all I could do is express my sympathy for those being forced medications and what I am about to go on to say should be at home within
this section of the forum. I am perscribed an anti-psychotic/tranquilizer called Quetiapine (also know as Seroquel), 50mgs. I told them
I would take 100mg due to my history of drug abuse (including street purchased Seroquel, 200mg). They said okay, but if I found myself oversleeping then to split the tablets
and next session to lower the dose to 50mg (I get perscribed 25mg tablets now, and choose when I take them. Sometimes one, sometimes two, sometime none).

I took 100mg at night and my dissociative mind informed me in it's own way that that wouldn't be a good idea (even though I had once taken an overdose, 8-10 of the street
purchased Seroquels before, washed down with alcohol - many Kronenburg, or maybe Becks beers). There was chaos in my mind and lots of voices (some children) screaming and carnage
and also the hosts voice and others repeatdley saying "sorry" and "I wont do that again". The children were claiming to be scared so I belive are legit, but have only hard them once before. the other screams where general and hallucinagenic, I believe this was a forsight into the destruction that increasing the meds would do. I can take 50mg no problem and get sleep benefits from it.

The body sensation the dose caused was much like the overdose I took: very
abstract feelings in the lower spine, a heavy pulling sensation like a force trying to pull you into the ground, despite the fact I took the tranq with intentions to sleep
I was fearfull of falling asleep. Hard to breathe also. I had explained this too... my psychiatric-nurse they are called. Put simply they are usually failed psychiatrists and two of these 'nurses'
I have encountered through different teams both had similar, bitter, 'twatty' personalitties. These 'nurses' are to collect information to pass back to the main psychiatrist as
there is a shortage of them within this town (and others I assume). Upon another metting with the nurse or sometimes called 'care-co ordinators' he had decided to relay this information back to me
in a rather insulting way. I told him previously, that someone or something really wasn't pleased with being subjected to that high a dose, and mentioned the screams that included child voices.
He chose to insult me by saying, actually, like the other nurse I had encounter, almost shouted so anyone (the meeting was at my home, my flat) could here that I had said a voice claimed they was going to run around
killing children if I took a dosage that high again.

Excuse me, Mr.Slaphead twat face piece of $#%^. If you cant handle being a failed psychiatrist then quite frankly you should ###$ off and get a day job in McDonalds where you
belong. Because I do not feel choosing to blatently insult me is really helping your position.. whatver that may be. I can only fathom that your job is to be a complete twat.
If so, you are bloody good at it. If it was a general misinterpretation, which I doubt, heres a note: bring a notepad and start making notes. Seriously, none of them bring notepads with them.
I am going to speculate that is because it makes it easier for them to say "sorry, an honest mistake" when someone tries to call them out. I tired to call an emurgency meeting and have no choice but to ask for this man,
speaking over the phone, and I had mentioned some more personal things in other meetings before, he asks "whats bothering you then?". I told him "what the ###$ do you think?", their lack of involvment and desire to ignore
what I tell them, or twist it up is already annoying and their lack of communication too. I had mentioned many things before I would like to get to the bottom of so why dont you
start by doing your job by knowing what is bothering me. Too hard to remember? One word (or two?) Notepad. I was stressed and maybe over reacted but when 'I' told him he was "$#%^"
he starts acting like a little bitch. "meerrrmerrrmerrrrr, im insulted, your being abusive", doesnt feel nice does it slaphead? I don't expect this from a proclaimed 'qualified' proffessional.

I cannot see how good or bad my main psychiatrist is, due to having to deal with this middle man. The previous one I had to deal with was the same... when asked if he could lower his voice he would raise it.
When, some years back I was experiencing gender dysphoria (which I understand better now) asked if I would like him to inform my parents I said not until I am more certain and have seen a professional. a few days latter
my parents arrived bugging me about it... He was pretty crap too and ended up with the main psychiatrist having to come down herself to ask the questions. She went on to say I didn't
need medication because I was never taking it. He wasn't paying attention the whole session and when, towards the end, she asked if he had anything to add/ask he was sat there with a dumbfounded look and just went,
"Uummmmmmmm..." then asked something completley irrelevant. In sessions with just the psychiatrict nurse that follwed he would contradict her by consistly saying to try taking more
medication...

And all my current psychiatrist says now, despite saying he didn't even want me on medication in the first place, is "up the meds, up the meds"...despite the fact he is aware my dissociative mind becomes
threatend by such things and will simply keep increasing the Psychosis to maintain a ballance. I am unsure of whether this is due to the communication 'error' from the middle man,
or whether they simply want to push me into an entirely Psychosis consumed state so they can simply lock me up and be done with it. If it gets to complicated for them it seems
that is the route they would rather take despite the destruction that could be cause to I or others.

My advice is for anyone in the UK with more complex issues to seek a therapist, they seem to be more qualified despite not having the papers or certificates to diagnose or perscribe medication. Simply pass in the information to a psychiatrist for further examination. It could save alot of hassel and stress in the long run, though Im aware jumping around different or getting about is not always easy as it sounds.

Thank you for reading.

Thanks for sharing this, a very interesting story you have there

Looks like I could be heading to the UK to escape forced drugging in Australia (where I was born and currently live).

So you guys have nothing like a community treatment order over there? That's great!

I wasn't really sure what 'community treatment order' was/is, so did a little google search and it came up with:

'If you have been in hospital under the Mental Health Act, your responsible clinician (the person who is in charge of your care, usually your psychiatrist) can arrange for you to have a community treatment order (CTO). This means that you will have supervised treatment when you leave hospital.'

I am still not to certain what this means though... is being 'in hospital under the Mental Health Act' the same as what they call 'being sectioned'? Being sectioned is a mental health thing over here, but I have never been sectioned, despite times I have even tried to get my self sectioned in manic states.

Funny, but true, story: One of these times, speaking with... I have no clue, I think the 'crisis team', as mentioned I was trying to get myself sectioned as was not feeling too great. Speaking over the phone I was rambling about feeling so mad I could kill someone and the fellow I was speaking to responded with "But you're not going to harm yourself?". I explained there was a much higher risk of someone else being killed rather than me harming or taking my own life to which he replied "Well, at least you aren't going to harm yourself" *laughs* Oh, he also informed me that being sectioned is terrible and that I wouldn't enjoy it...

Put simply the mental health teams, in my town anyway and I am unsure about the cities, are complete shambles. I think 'being sectioned' you just get taken by the police or someone and sit in a room in a hospital with other sectioned people.

It seems pretty leanient over here I guess... though I haven't had a major criminal offense yet, though I did walk away from an assult on police office charge a few years ago with no charge (but there were many lies by the allegedy assulted police officer making claims that were not true, muddying the water). And criminal offenses are just treated as such I believe, whether you're a 'normie' or a 'crazy'.

I had a friend who got himself sectioned... he just demanded they do it and then sat in a hospital bed for a week reading books :/ (edit:) so I guess it just depends on who you speak with, or what you do... I am really unsure to be completley honest with you. But seems like its just a 'time out' area. *laughs* reading it back it does sound pretty silly but I do not lie, maybe it's just this town I am in wasn't really prepared or funded to handle mentally ill people. I asume the craziest and violent just end up in prison.

Soooo, yeh. I guess you'd avoid many forced treatments over here and can even take a little break away from the real world to read books. Might not be the same everywhere though. Maybe someone else has some more insight.

I have just realized, I apologise, that the anti-psych is more to do with extreme cases of psychiatric treatment, which is why I probably received not many responses though hopefully my posts gave insight into how different and leanient the mental health teams in the UK are. It is amusing that my annoyances are due to lack of notepad wielding middle men rather than brain damage caused by forced treatment, but that is why you have my sympathy. Again, my apologies, I had not much sleep when I posted.