Hospitalization and Outpatient Treatment - Fraudulent

Who else believes that hospitalization and outpatient treatment is just a scam for the people to get a check from Medicaid/Medicare/You? I have been hospitalized once, I swear it was like the most fake thing I have ever seen in my life. Nothing was helpful, "group therapy" consisted of the staff members giving a spiel about how we need to cope with our disorders and disruptive thoughts.

I swear the only reason for visiting a hospital or psych doctor is to get a disability check or medications that don't work or may make you feel good.

I was hospitalized my entire youth from age 6 till 17 bunch of different hospitals everytime they'd use up my dad's insurance then I was cured, it's not about getting better to them it's about money

100% agree. I'm dealing with a ex girlfriend with borderline personality disorder. It's a scam she goes to the different doctors works her bs and gets pills. Another girl was givin Xanax for her "stress" and the doctor told her "don't worry if you get hooked on it we have a program for that."
The group she goes to 5 days a week is basically a place for them to meet up and plan antics. It's like people from an AA meeting planning a meet up at a beer festival. In years she has had no progress I've seen if anything she's becoming more reckless. The case workers/counselors that do home visits are just givin an act by her and go along like everything is fine. All on our tax dollars btw. The bpd diagnosis is just a free pass to be an awful person and get away with it for these girls and the pharmaceutical companies and the system keeps it going. So yeah I'm starting to think it's a big scam because I see none of these people I know trying to get better at all. It's sickening.

UVA2002 wrote:100% agree. I'm dealing with a ex girlfriend with borderline personality disorder. It's a scam she goes to the different doctors works her bs and gets pills. Another girl was givin Xanax for her "stress" and the doctor told her "don't worry if you get hooked on it we have a program for that."
The group she goes to 5 days a week is basically a place for them to meet up and plan antics. It's like people from an AA meeting planning a meet up at a beer festival. In years she has had no progress I've seen if anything she's becoming more reckless. The case workers/counselors that do home visits are just givin an act by her and go along like everything is fine. All on our tax dollars btw. The bpd diagnosis is just a free pass to be an awful person and get away with it for these girls and the pharmaceutical companies and the system keeps it going. So yeah I'm starting to think it's a big scam because I see none of these people I know trying to get better at all. It's sickening.

Yeah. From what I've read, BPD sufferers are notoriously difficult to treat/resistant to treatment. Which is hard, because it's a serious condition that really needs the help. I read that most cases need weekly therapy pretty much forever to correct cognitive distortions that continually creep in.

Sounds frustrating. 5 days a week is a lot. Would she consider switching to a different group, if this one has no therapeutic value? It's pretty awesome that you're willing to help out your ex, but dealing with her BPD must be draining.

My own hospital experience was lackluster as well. I checked myself in, was told I had to stay for a week involuntary (which was not in my original plan). I actually am not complaining, even though I didn't feel that they did a very good job - I wasn't even told my diagnosis or what it meant. I had to find it (bipolar) in my paperwork after I was discharged.

The reason I'm not complaining about it is that they did give me meds that halted the mania/delusional state I was in, and a safe and stable place to be while they took effect.

My delusions had frankly started to become very severe and outright dangerous. First time I took the meds, I felt like a puppet whose strings had been cut -racing mania turned into sluggish, tired sanity almost immediately. So, in terms of an immediate pharmaceutical "band-aid" for my crazy, it worked. But that's really it. And the side effects from one of the meds they gave me wrecked me for 3-4 months until I got it changed. I was too scared to stop taking it for fear all the hallucinations and other things would come back.

It was a city program staffed by doctors doing pro-bono hours outside of their own practices. So, even though it was kind of crappy overall, it got me started on a path to getting better.

And I guess that's what I wanted to share about hospitalization. Thanks for reading, haven't really gotten the chance to talk about that before.

Merseeme wrote:My own hospital experience was lackluster as well. I checked myself in, was told I had to stay for a week involuntary (which was not in my original plan).

They just said we are going to lock you up for a week ?

The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment.

Did you get your legal hearing ? Were you told all your rights before they took your liberty and told you to empty your pockets and confiscated your property ?

Were you strip searched ?


Any person detained on an emergency basis must be promptly informed of his right to (1) consult an attorney; (2) have an attorney appointed if he is indigent; and (3) have a hearing.

Hearing must be held within 72 hours of receipt of the person's written request, excluding weekends and holidays.

The patient (and his/her appointed lawyer) have the right to ask questions of any witnesses at the hearing, including any doctors (C.G.S. §17a-498 (a)). If the patient wants to question the doctors who examined you, they must come to the hearing, but the patient has to let the judge know in writing at least three days before the hearing that the patient wants to question them (C.G.S. §17a-498(c)). Before the hearing, the patient has the right to look at any psychiatric records about them, including any hospital records (C.G.S. §17a-498(b))

Read more

Psychiatric Inpatient Hospital Issues

Challenging Physician’s Emergency Certificates and Involuntary Commitment

http://www.clrp.org/legal-issues-we-handle/psychiatric-inpatient-hospital-issues/

A false imprisonment claim under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 is based on the Fourteenth Amendment's protection against deprivations of liberty without due process of law

Copy_Cat wrote:

Merseeme wrote:My own hospital experience was lackluster as well. I checked myself in, was told I had to stay for a week involuntary (which was not in my original plan).

They just said we are going to lock you up for a week ?

The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment.

Did you get your legal hearing ? Were you told all your rights before they took your liberty and told you to empty your pockets and confiscated your property ?

Were you strip searched ?


Any person detained on an emergency basis must be promptly informed of his right to (1) consult an attorney; (2) have an attorney appointed if he is indigent; and (3) have a hearing.

Hearing must be held within 72 hours of receipt of the person's written request, excluding weekends and holidays.

The patient (and his/her appointed lawyer) have the right to ask questions of any witnesses at the hearing, including any doctors (C.G.S. §17a-498 (a)). If the patient wants to question the doctors who examined you, they must come to the hearing, but the patient has to let the judge know in writing at least three days before the hearing that the patient wants to question them (C.G.S. §17a-498(c)). Before the hearing, the patient has the right to look at any psychiatric records about them, including any hospital records (C.G.S. §17a-498(b))

Read more

Psychiatric Inpatient Hospital Issues

Challenging Physician’s Emergency Certificates and Involuntary Commitment

http://www.clrp.org/legal-issues-we-handle/psychiatric-inpatient-hospital-issues/

A false imprisonment claim under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 is based on the Fourteenth Amendment's protection against deprivations of liberty without due process of law

Oh, wow. I did not know that. The way it went down was pretty straightforward. I was having a dangerous break from reality and called 911 on myself. Initially, the 911 operator asked me if I was a danger to myself. I think I said "if I don't get this taken care of... then yes."

The police came and picked me up, drove me to the hospital. I wasn't cuffed or restrained. No strip search. When I got there I continued to freak out and interact with things that weren't real. They kind of treated me crappily, like telling me that I was going to have a catheter inserted against my will if I didn't pee in a cup for them. (I initially refused because I thought that I would become more possessed if I did.)

So, I peed in a cup. I was still in a break from reality after that, whispering magic words repetitively to try to prevent myself from becoming possessed by evil spirits. I was pretty calm after that, although still delusional. I thought I had gained the upper hand and instead adopted a persona of being calm, charming and extremely confident. The ambulance came to take me to inpatient, and I spent my time charming all the hospital staff.

I had an interview with someone at the inpatient hospital. I told him I have multiple personalities in my head, because that's what I thought was going on. I had an interview with my Dr too, although I think that was the next day. She was very kind listening to me talk about how I was working on improving the existing model of quantum physics (lol). I even saw her eyes water up at one point, although I didn't understand why. I guess she must have felt bad for me to be so gung-ho about something that wasn't real.

I met with the social worker the next day, and told her that I thought I just needed some emergency anti-psychotic pills for "just in case" usage, and that's why I was there. (I had already taken my first dose of anti-psychotics, so I was much more sensible.)

That's when I found out I wasn't free to leave - I really didn't want to stay, but I had no choice. It was scary to realize that I had been committed with my express permission, but in retrospect it might have been the safest thing. It took me a couple days of pills to really come down from the extreme manic high I had been on.

They didn't give me much of a diagnosis, or tell me much except to take the pills. I was completely freaked when I got home - I didn't know what to do.

The one good thing was that they gave me a referral to outpatient care, where I still go today. Actually meeting face to face with a doctor and having a conversation, I eventually worked out a really good meds plan. It only took 1.5 years and a few more psychotic/paranoid episodes to get it right from there, lol.

So, were they not following the law? I'm guessing the legal justification probably came from me stating that I might be a suicide risk early on.

Merseeme wrote:

That's good that you were treated alright, some of us have been through some real hellish nightmares in the name of "help" and of course keeping the beds full at $1,200 dollars a day.


They insisted my crippling anxiety was "mania" then made all kinds of threats of injection by force [forced penetration of a persons body is rape] when I refused to take dangerous amounts of anti psychotic pills.

I mean WTF take all these pills to get all zombie then when I leave and quit to have to endure the withdrawal reactions of insomnia and possibly even a psychosis I never had before taking them ?

Anyway best to know your rights just in case some day one finds themselves in one of those greedy insurance money hellholes that just drug the hell out of everyone and keep them as long as they can.

This site below is dedicated to all the people who were harmed or killed in UHS facilities. they speak for those who have no voice, to protect others from experiencing the pain they endured.


Here https://watchinguhs.wordpress.com/

Copy_Cat wrote:

Merseeme wrote:

That's good that you were treated alright, some of us have been through some real hellish nightmares in the name of "help" and of course keeping the beds full at $1,200 dollars a day.


They insisted my crippling anxiety was "mania" then made all kinds of threats of injection by force [forced penetration of a persons body is rape] when I refused to take dangerous amounts of anti psychotic pills.

I mean WTF take all these pills to get all zombie then when I leave and quit to have to endure the withdrawal reactions of insomnia and possibly even a psychosis I never had before taking them ?

Anyway best to know your rights just in case some day one finds themselves in one of those greedy insurance money hellholes that just drug the hell out of everyone and keep them as long as they can.

This site below is dedicated to all the people who were harmed or killed in UHS facilities. they speak for those who have no voice, to protect others from experiencing the pain they endured.


Here https://watchinguhs.wordpress.com/

In my experiences these place deliberately, abuse, confuse, lie and play mind games with patients in order to get them to act out or become progressively worse. Like this longer stays and more "treatment" can be administered. The goal is to create iatrogenic illness as a basis to funnel in profit. Some people working in these places think they are helping the patients or being for their own good, come reality those who create these programs and run pharmaceutical companies know exactly what their treatments do. Only concern for them is making sure word does not get out.


Psychiatry = $$$$$$$$$

Riccola wrote:Psychiatry = $$$$$$$$$

Universal Health Services profit rises sharply
By Maria Armental
Published: Oct 27, 2015 5:34 p.m. ET

Overall, Universal Health reported a profit of $150.3 million, or $1.48 a share, compared with $82.8 million, or 82 cents a share, a year earlier. Excluding certain items, largely tied to the adoption of electronic health records at its acute-care hospitals, profit rose to $1.53 a share from $1.36 a share a year earlier.

Net revenue rose 9% to $2.23 billion...

On a same-facility basis, acute-care hospitals reported a 7.2% increase in revenue with admissions, excluding outpatient services, up 5.1% and adjusted patient days up 5.6%. Meanwhile, revenue from its behavioral health hospitals rose 5%, with adjusted admissions increasing and adjusted patient days up 1.6%.

Shares closed Tuesday at $116.04, up 4% this year.

More http://www.marketwatch.com/story/universal-health-services-profit-rises-sharply-2015-10-27-174853416


Most of us have seen what goes on, they just run these nasty lockups where they zombify the $#%^ out of people with drugs and call it "better" wile collecting $1,000 + dollars a day.

Sure they have expenses but a 100 bed facility with the beds full is bringing in $100,000 dollars a day.

I mean WTF we have been there, the "doctor" goes around and talks to people for two to five minutes before drugging everyone into zombie stupid, they have a nursing and kitchen staff and maintenance some office workers nothing too complicated going on.


Look at this

Some average costs for long-term care in the United States (in 2010) were:

$205 per day or $6,235 per month for a semi-private room in a nursing home
$229 per day or $6,965 per month for a private room in a nursing home

http://longtermcare.gov/costs-how-to-pay/costs-of-care/


In a nursing home they spoon feed people, change diapers, do laundry...alot of work. WTF do they do for people in inpatient psych ? Lock the door, push disabling pills at everyone and run their little prison and get five times more money.

I don't know what to write anymore, I saw what goes on inpatient. Most people messed up from either psychiatric drugging in the first place getting more of the same or they dug themselves into a hole with alcohol or street drugs and of course the people who screwed themselves up with alcohol or street drugs are labelled and converted into lifetime psychiatric patients.

Why with billions spent on mental health "care" and all the "wonderful" new drugs does the number of mentally disabled people continue to rise year after year ??? ITS THE TREATMENT !!!

Riccola wrote:Psychiatry = $$$$$$$$$

Now UHS is under investigation by the Criminal Fraud Section of the U.S. Justice Department. They’re looking at whether UHS — a for-profit company — has been fraudulently billing for behavioral care. About one-quarter of every dollar UHS makes at its behavioral facilities goes into profits, not care. In 2014, UHS CEO Alan Miller got $18.4 million in total compensation, a 40 percent boost from the year before. Miller and his son control nearly 90 percent of the voting shares in UHS.


More https://www.change.org/p/end-breakdowns-in-care-at-biggest-us-mental-health-chain


Here is the real kicker, they wont even allow patients to make a "long distance" phone call (outside the hospitals area code) from their jail style phones on the wall at there dirty rundown psych lockup facilities.

"Long distance phone call" WTF you cheap bastards ??? Its not 1975 no one even says "long distance" anymore. The younger generation doesn't even know the term "long distance phone call".


UHS is scum of the earth, that's all they are.