Psychiatry used against political dissenter in Germany

First, congrats that you have successful children who adore their school. You are their loving parents and you decide what is best for them.
As for me, my children are HEALTHIER than my husband or I were. They do not catch colds. They do not wear glasses. They are both top athletes in their sports.
Their childhood is run by their rhythms. They learn what they are interested in.
My children get tutored in the morning and socialize all afternoon with their friends in clubs and sports.
I know it is elite. I know not everybody can afford it.

Concerning college: since you choose which field you wish to study and how many classes you take it's not comparable to the odd institutions that are grade and middle school, etc.

BTW, I couldn't believe at age 20 I was still studying a foreign language at college. Because I take charge of my children's ed, I have made sure they speak foreign languages and have done the AP exams to prove it. So, we are not tackling college in the old-fashioned way, either.

Alright, back to the German EXPERT psychiatrist, Dr. Schanda and his report. He wrote it after a one-hour examination of Melissa. According to Melissa, he made up things she said to prove his point and even the German judge took him off her case.

And I just LOVE the guy on this forum who said Melissa's parents were so bad because they homeschool. Hello! Melissa attended public school for everything but the last few months! The school wanted to boot her out of the college-track "Gymnasium" and into the Vo-Tech program. Her Dad just wanted to avoid that by tutoring her in Latin and Math--she was still attending the other classes she enjoyed, like choir.
The school flipped out fearing other students would follow her in droves. Hell apparently hath no fury love a government-school-monopoly scorned.
Germany is my country, too. I should not have to leave it because the government is, well, pretty much like in that movie Chitty-Chitty Bang Bang. Whoever wrote that book and gave the bad guys all German accents was a knowledgable writer.

swedishmeat4avegetarian wrote:
Your drivel about dictatorships is such a joke.

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Pol Pot, evil cambodian dictator, felt it was important " to keep family members apart as often as possible" to attain his ends.

" Believing that the family stood in the way of his radical vision of
socialism, he tried to break down the capitalist structure by splitting families and forcing people to eat in communal halls."

Hitler, too, sectioned up families into groups and kept the youth extremely busy in subgroups of their own age. Hilter called this "Gleichschaltung", getting everyone to think the same way.

Mao Zedong preached of the importance of harnessing impressionable minds in the same way...(that is where Pol Pot got the idea).
One out of three East Germans worked for the Stasi. That meant that family members were paid to spy on each other. Children were taken from their mothers after a few months to spend their days in DayCare.

I have the feeling, swedishmeat, that your job here is to defend psychiatry at any cost. I was so surprised that you keep attacking everything I say as "drivel". (How could you have been so sure that dictators love close families?)

Now back to the, IMHO, abuse of psychiatry by Dr. Schanda in Nuremberg. It is against the ethics of psychiatry for Dr. Schanda to have been the doctor to advise that Melissa be forced into a psychiatric clinic, and then have her forced into his OWN clinic. This is because this is a conflict of interest. I think even you, swedishmeat, can understand that.

Swedishmeat, I hope to God that you are not a psychiatrist. If you are, for the love of your profession, demand the release of Melissa Busekros. Demand that your international Board investigate this alleged abuse of psychiatric power in Nuremberg.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/117053.aspx

I am terrified for the rest of those sweet children and my own. Please call a German embassy and complain.

FreeMelissa wrote:

swedishmeat4avegetarian wrote:
Your drivel about dictatorships is such a joke.

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Pol Pot, evil cambodian dictator, felt it was important " to keep family members apart as often as possible" to attain his ends.

From what I can tell, you are both taking somewhat extreme stances on an issue that appears more complicated than either side wishes to acknowledge.

Both of you are also using charged wording, and generalizing statements.

It appears that both of you are defending your sides "at all costs".

Since both of you are making differing statements on what is, or isn't allowed in Germany by law, can either of you provide sources on your stances?

Stick to the issues, and avoid ad hominem attacks, veiled or otherwise.

FreeMelissa - I have added my name to the petition.

But, since I know several children with 'school phobia' here in the UK, it is impossible for me to judge whether or not (from the links posted) there is a genuine problem with Melissa, or the state.

We do not have the same purported regime as you do. I still don't know if I believe that you regime truly works that way, or not.

My name is added now because I don't believe in holding people against their will. Nothing more. You have still failed to give conclusive evidence that Melissa is truly a victim... but I'm going with you. I really hope that isn't going to be the wrong desicion....

It is true that I am passionate about this issue.

The good news is that Melissa escaped from her foster family when at midnight a few days ago she became age 16.

All of us think that only international attention is keeping the social workers and psychiatrists from carrying out the government's anti-homeschooling agenda again.

Here is the latest:

http://www.netzwerk-bildungsfreiheit.de ... en_en.html

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Being passionate about an issue is great. However, when advocating the issue, it's best not to alienate those who aren't as passionate.

Out of curiousity: Is this an antipsych issue to you, or do you just think that anti-psych people might be quick to help with the cause?

This subject is only the tip of the iceburg as far as the whole homeschooling and psychiatry issues go.

As much as I don't like or agree with american right wing religious type, they are most likely doing the majority a favour by being a hefty political weight in the homeschooling issue.


Lack of Democracy (despite the brainwashing, oops i mean education that we have it) is a very real issue.

I am asking (begging, really) that those of you who do not see (or wish to acknowledge) these dynamics in operation do not rule out the possible benefits of ensuring the legality of homeschooling as safeguards to an all pervasive point of view.

This can never be a threat to you, your children or anything other than a shady dictatorial government as the vast majority of parents (me included) want their children at school.

If your point of view was frowned upon and your children were suffering as a result, if you knew you had legitimate reasons that many others just could not see because of their positioning in society, would you homeschool?

fomori4hire wrote:
Out of curiousity: Is this an antipsych issue to you, or do you just think that anti-psych people might be quick to help with the cause?

Melissa, that miracle of modern psychiatry "cured" of her "school phobia" and "oppressive father" by a few weeks in the Nurenberg psych ward and 2 months performing slave work on a German farm is still free and her parents are suing the authorities.

The German government had only used monetary fines, imprisonment of parents and threats of confiscating the children to enforce their anti-homeschool laws up until Melissa's confinement.

When the German gov't decided to use a psychiatrist to enforce their anti-homeschooling law, I googled for people a lot more familiar with any abuses in psychiatry than I was. I found this forum. I had hoped that upstanding psychiatrist leaders proud of their profession would leap into the fray and call for their international standards and ethics to be kept.

I know of at least one psychiatrist of great integrity who did just that. He is a man among men.