America's Most Admired Lawbreaker

This probably wont come as a surprise to some of you.

Story: America's Most Admired Lawbreaker

Byline: Over the course of 20 years, Johnson & Johnson created a powerful drug, promoted it illegally to children and the elderly, covered up the side effects and made billions of dollars. This is the inside story.

By Steven Brill

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/

Tap on the title when you get to the page, it's kind of goofy. It's being released in parts. It's up to Chapter 3. The story of Risperdal (which I was on for six months, until I said "enough is enough")

Otter.

It gets worse, this is how they tested Risperdal on children.

"A rage outburst was defined as sufficient agitation and loss of control such that the child was unable to “time out” (i.e. sit in a chair for 10 minutes on being told to do so) or was a danger to himself or others and a higher level of intervention was needed. In order to compare the efficacy of medication against usual treatment (i.e. seclusion/restraint), a first rage outburst in the hospital was treated non-medically; that is, the child was placed in an isolation room. The door remained open if the child was able to regain control and take the time out in the room; otherwise the door was closed. If there was a second episode, the child was told “You need some medicine to help you get back in control. Take this medicine or we may have to give you a shot”. If agreeable, the child was given 0.015 mg/kg of liquid risperidone.

More http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 90969/#R23



"If agreeable" Children are scared of needles . They could have got the same results by threatening them with a Tazer.







The NAZI trials at the end of WWII made coerced medical experiments illegal but they did it anyway. The Nuremberg Code. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. http://www.ushmm.org/information/exhibi ... mberg-code


"unable to “time out” (i.e. sit in a chair for 10 minutes on being told to do so)" Unbelievable.

I am not a lawyer but I think these kids have the right to sue and the statute of limitations doesn't start till they turn 18.

-- Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:42 pm --



Thanks for the link Otter, that's like the best report I have seen yet.

When Crime Pays: J&J's Drug Risperdal
New York Times‎ - 1 day ago
He is Alex Gorsky, who was rewarded by being elevated to C.E.O. of J&J. He earned $25,000,000 last year.


Read more http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/opini ... inion&_r=0

Otter, thank you! This is one of the best links Ive read.

You're welcome, everyone.

I know this forum often discusses how some people are forced to take meds, and I think that is a topic worth exploring.

In this case, however, what concerns me most is the proliferation of drugs, en masse, to people of all ages with whom being given meds for semi-problematic behavior is preferable to working on the environmental issues (and other causes) that might be contributing to behavioral problems.

In my bedroom community, I know a slew of people who are on some sort of medication for anxiety, depression, and other issues that are not acute, nor chronic. Their lifestyles are fueled by certain things that are imposed upon them by a bad economy or continuing cuts in wages and benefits, like worse pay, no bonuses, longer hours, etc. But they compound this problem by buying things they can't afford, eating crappy food, staying on their computers/tablets all day, and watching loads of television that fills their heads with every kind of hate-filled, sensationalized image, shock concept known to man. They don't spend time with their kids, who likewise fill their lives with our "video" culture.

Is it any wonder that their nervous system is on overload?

Solution? Medicate.

Little Billy is unruly? Medicate. Mom can't stop crying when there is a sad story on TV? Medicate. Dad is having panic attacks when he leaves for work? Medicate.

Now, I will say, that I am a believer in medication over all. But MOST PEOPLE don't understand that medication isn't going to cure them. They also don't understand that psychotropic drugs are not something to take lightly, and they should research what they are taking, and be proactive in other treatments, so that drugs can be seen in it's proper light.

But all of this pales in comparison to the systematic effort made by Big Pharma to change the perception of mental illness to include every slightest symptom, as a means of peddling their product to the ignorant. And age is no protection, children and the elderly are coming for the ride.

I have friends who work in Pharma. I have spoken to many people in the business. I am not aggressive in my questioning, but I am direct. The thing I find amazing is the disconnect between the science of drugs, and the business of drugs. Which is why I have met so many honorable and decent people in pharma, as well as absolute scoundrels.

Otter.

Copy_Cat wrote:It gets worse, this is how they tested Risperdal on children.

"A rage outburst was defined as sufficient agitation and loss of control such that the child was unable to “time out” (i.e. sit in a chair for 10 minutes on being told to do so) or was a danger to himself or others and a higher level of intervention was needed. In order to compare the efficacy of medication against usual treatment (i.e. seclusion/restraint), a first rage outburst in the hospital was treated non-medically; that is, the child was placed in an isolation room. The door remained open if the child was able to regain control and take the time out in the room; otherwise the door was closed. If there was a second episode, the child was told “You need some medicine to help you get back in control. Take this medicine or we may have to give you a shot”. If agreeable, the child was given 0.015 mg/kg of liquid risperidone.

More http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 90969/#R23



"If agreeable" Children are scared of needles . They could have got the same results by threatening them with a Tazer.







The NAZI trials at the end of WWII made coerced medical experiments illegal but they did it anyway. The Nuremberg Code. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. http://www.ushmm.org/information/exhibi ... mberg-code


"unable to “time out” (i.e. sit in a chair for 10 minutes on being told to do so)" Unbelievable.

I am not a lawyer but I think these kids have the right to sue and the statute of limitations doesn't start till they turn 18.

-- Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:42 pm --



Thanks for the link Otter, that's like the best report I have seen yet.

That study wasn't controlled well. A better way to test that kind of thing is to have two separate groups of children that are either given a time out (ideally by telling them they need to have a time out to calm down) or given Risperdal (and even better without coercing them) and comparing the effectiveness of doing those things. And also, the door should be opened or closed regardless of how much time the child is in there as that may affect results.

The fact that pharmaceutical companies are allowed to not publish studies that show that a particular medication is not effective allows scientific dishonesty like this to be common.

When trying to figure out if a medication is effective, instead of saying how many studies have shown it to be effective, examine the methods of those studies.