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Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby Mottec » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:51 pm

The following are my beliefs(and you dont need to agree).

Psychiatry is an institution that is designed to protect the "in crowd" from the outcasts(the patients).

They do this by drugging and deception. The drugs remove behaviour that is otherwise normal, like risk taking or sadness. They sell you a lie that you are sick, and will go to great lenghts to make sure you believe this.

Psychiatry is a form of bullying where people in need are being further ostracized from soceity. So many misfits like drug addicts, learning impaired, dumb people or misbehaving youths are being labelled sick.

Psychiatry is not for your beneift insofar, that your further survival, depends on your cooperation. It is however the only thing they could truly offer you, if they were honest.

See a psychologist instead.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby Riccola » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:57 pm

Well said. :)


If anything is outside the norm of society, even if that behavior does not harm you or anyone else, psychiatry sees it an illness. Its no different then being bullied for not being popular in school. Hold certain beliefs, talents, or disabilities and psychiatry will punish you just for existing.


Psychiatry will never help people until it can learn to treat people with respect, and learn to be able to sit down and listen to people.


Ive had more luck with psychologists simply because they do not automatically discard what they don't understand, nor do they reach to medication for every problem.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby Mottec » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:09 pm

This was just me needing to vent.

Im so sensitive to meds and they keep forcing them on me. I hope nobody else gets these side effects.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby quackery » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:00 am

Mottec wrote:The following are my beliefs(and you dont need to agree).

Psychiatry is an institution that is designed to protect the "in crowd" from the outcasts(the patients).

They do this by drugging and deception. The drugs remove behaviour that is otherwise normal, like risk taking or sadness. They sell you a lie that you are sick, and will go to great lenghts to make sure you believe this.

Psychiatry is a form of bullying where people in need are being further ostracized from soceity. So many misfits like drug addicts, learning impaired, dumb people or misbehaving youths are being labelled sick.

Psychiatry is not for your beneift insofar, that your further survival, depends on your cooperation. It is however the only thing they could truly offer you, if they were honest.

See a psychologist instead.


Thank you for your excellent post! I am glad we the smart men achieved the point of realization in our journey through life. Psychiatry exists precisely for the purposes as you mention. Bullying, harassment, forceful disablement, and other punitive purposes.

It does indeed ostracize people further from the society, labels them sick, deceives them to believe it, and tries to sell the disabling drug to them for life.

People who otherwise could be doing fine are punished by psychiatry to forcefully attend a disabling treatment, called only "treatment", drugs are forced under threats and if refused administered using force.

Before psychiatry, we had something very similar to it. It was called witchcraft. How did people stop believing in witches? I have searched for the answer, and found that it was the churches that indoctrinated our societies to believe in witches, to label them, ostracize them from the society, and burn them to death by setting them on fire. The society is now drugging us to death by selling and forcing us to involuntarily take disabling, debiliating, poisonous drugs which is just as cruel and as barbaric as labeling as wizards and witches, and burning us on fire.

In the 17th century, during the Age of Enlightenment, cultural and intellectual forces in Western Europe emphasized reason, analysis, and individualism rather than traditional lines of authority. It challenged authorities deeply rooted in our society, such as Church, and there was much talk of ways to reform our society with: TOLERATION, SCIENCE, and SKEPTICISM instead of any blind belief. As churches became separated from the State, people started being more educated and had more toleration, relying on individualism, skepticism, and empirical science.

How and when psychiatry started existing is still unknown to me, however unknown is not that a new form of "witchcraft" is believed by the society, and that an equivalent of a Church is not "medicine". And they are a part of the state, like Churches were at the time of witchcraft.

Churches are not for our benefit. Doctors are neither. They are in it for the money! To paraphrase Machiavelli, who explained this a few centuries ago, Christianity is a sect which makes people weak and inactive delivering politics into the hands of cruel and wicked men without a fight.

We can say Psychiatry is a sect making people weak and inactive, delivering power into the hands of cruel and wicked men, without a fight. They are in it for money. All doctors of medicine who are too smart eventually are ending up deceiving people and making more money while doing less. Doctor of psychiatry helps not with anything to anyone. In fact, he helps himself only, to the money and power. Every psychiatric article or term or research is extremely flawed, just like claims made by the church about witchcraft were flawed a few centuries ago, and those who claim they know how to identify and treat (=exterminate) witches are those who make money on it.

And to conclude, psychiatric hospitals are nazi concentration camps and we are the Jews. A great demagogue Hitler convinced the majority of the society 80%+ to exterminate the remaining ~20% because it would be a good profit for the 80%+. People with life problems (who are today falsely labeled sick) were just about 60 years ago also forcibly and violently exterminated, in Nazi Germany. And before that, there was the majority of the society to agree with that.

Today, there is the majority of the society which agrees with extermination of people via psychiatry because medicine is a part of the State, like church was when people believed in witchcraft. Medicine should NOT be a part of the state. And I do not want to pay a penny for medicine, EVER, unless I need some service and choose freely myself to pay for a service.

WTH are we paying such high taxes for medicine when charlatans are endlessly profiteering, illness-mongering, harassing, bullying, disabling, deceiving, misinforming, and otherwise abusing their position.

I suggest medicine is inherently for profit, and inherently evil. If you need something, you do not even get a good service, doctors do not care unless it is an emergency, because when it is one they make more money. It is extremely unethical to wait until a minor irritant becomes a problem, and then still not do anything, until a problem becomes a crisis. And when the problem is a crisis, they disable you and make the biggest money possible on your problem. They maintain the problem and make it worse, so ideally they make money for your entire life on bullying you, harassing, torturing, slandering, and disabling you.

All medicine is for profit. No medicine in the world is there to help people.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby Riccola » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:24 am

quackery wrote:
I suggest medicine is inherently for profit, and inherently evil. If you need something, you do not even get a good service, doctors do not care unless it is an emergency, because when it is one they make more money. It is extremely unethical to wait until a minor irritant becomes a problem, and then still not do anything, until a problem becomes a crisis. And when the problem is a crisis, they disable you and make the biggest money possible on your problem. They maintain the problem and make it worse, so ideally they make money for your entire life on bullying you, harassing, torturing, slandering, and disabling you.

All medicine is for profit. No medicine in the world is there to help people.




I regret to say Ive seen it first hand. Mainstream psychiatry has no intent to ever cure anyone, just read all the mainstream literature 'diseases requiring the management of psychotropics, often for life" I have no doubt the cures, (or at least the best management in others) for mental illness both hard and easy are being withheld. Cures are not as profitable as expensive 'treatments' for life.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby quackery » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:26 am

Mottec wrote:The following are my beliefs(and you dont need to agree).

Psychiatry is an institution that is designed to protect the "in crowd" from the outcasts(the patients).

They do this by drugging and deception. The drugs remove behaviour that is otherwise normal, like risk taking or sadness. They sell you a lie that you are sick, and will go to great lenghts to make sure you believe this.

Psychiatry is a form of bullying where people in need are being further ostracized from soceity. So many misfits like drug addicts, learning impaired, dumb people or misbehaving youths are being labelled sick.

Psychiatry is not for your beneift insofar, that your further survival, depends on your cooperation. It is however the only thing they could truly offer you, if they were honest.

See a psychologist instead.


Thank you for your excellent post! I am glad we the smart men have achieved the point of realization in our journey through life. Psychiatry exists precisely for the purposes as you mention. Bullying, harassment, forceful disablement, and other punitive purposes.

It does indeed ostracize people further from the society, labels them sick, deceives them to believe it, and tries to sell the disabling drug to them for life.

People who otherwise could be doing fine are punished by psychiatry to forcefully attend a disabling treatment, called only "treatment", drugs are forced under threats and if refused administered using violence.

Before psychiatry, we had something very similar to it. It was called witchcraft. How did people stop believing in witches? I have searched for the answer, and found that it was the churches that indoctrinated our societies to believe in witches, to label them, ostracize them from the society, and burn them to death by setting them on fire. The society is now drugging us to death by selling and forcing us to involuntarily take disabling, debiliating, poisonous drugs which is just as cruel and as barbaric as labeling us wizards and witches, and burning us on fire.

In the 17th century, during the Age of Enlightenment, cultural and intellectual forces in Western Europe emphasized reason, analysis, and individualism rather than traditional lines of authority. It challenged authorities deeply rooted in our society, such as Church, and there was much talk of ways to reform our society with: TOLERATION, SCIENCE, and SKEPTICISM instead of any blind belief. As churches became separated from the State, people started being more educated and had more toleration, relying on individualism, skepticism, and empirical science.

How and when psychiatry started existing is still unknown to me, however unknown is not that a new form of "witchcraft" is believed by the society, and that an equivalent of a Church is now "medicine". And they are a part of the state, like Churches were at the time of witchcraft.

Churches are not for our benefit. Neither are doctors. They are for their own benefit, for the power and money! To paraphrase Machiavelli, he a few centuries ago, Christianity is a sect which makes people weak and inactive delivering politics into the hands of cruel and wicked men without a fight. (This was at the time of witchraft)

We can say Psychiatry is a sect making people weak and inactive, delivering power into the hands of cruel and wicked men, without a fight. They are in it for power and money. All doctors of medicine who are too smart quickly end up deceiving people for money and doing less and less to help anyone with anything. Doctor of psychiatry helps noone with nothing. He is not offering anything to anyone. In fact, he helps himself only, to get money and power by selling disabling drugs and falsifying miraculous effects that those drugs do not have. Gaps in the scientific method are exploited to prove clearly false beliefs into true.

Every psychiatric article you have seen, every term, every research paper, all is biased and exploits gaps by using rhetoric, fraudulent data, poor studies, referencing discredited authors, discredited theories such as chemical imbalances, uses very poor and discredited methodologies such as showing 3 passed studies without showing the hundreds of failed studies of any beneficial effects of the same product, therefore the entire psychiatry relies on weakness in science that can be exploited. So, what can be falsified is falsified,
what can be [intentionally] misinterpreted is misinterpreted, what can be cut from context is cut from context,
etc. Just like claims made by the great demagog in Nazi germany, Hitler, or claims made by the great demagogs
in the Church about witchcraft that were flawed a few centuries ago.

The only difference between the Church and the Psychiatry is those who claim they know how to identify and treat witches, those who make money on it, are using a more sophisticated deception. When Church stopped working, deceptive science (fake science exploiting all gaps in the scientific method) works like a charm. Mostly only best- educated scientists with strong university degrees can recognize the deception made by well-educated deceivers with doctoral univerisity degrees. Great level of education can be used to make a great level of deception. What is the education of politicians, and how can they deceive you for example.

And to conclude, psychiatric hospitals are concentration camps, and the majority of the society agrees to exterminate people via psychiatry just like the majority agreed in Nazi Germany because it is for profit. When you hear someone is crazy, you imagine the worst possible homeless stinking disgusting person in a dirty clothes with a big beard, week unwashed, etc. and you easily agree with this picture in mind that you would like to exterminate these people.

Medicine is a part of the State, like Church was when people believed in witchcraft, and they imagined something as evil as above when they heard the word witch or wizard. They imagined something even worse, perhaps.

Medicine should NOT be a part of the state! And I do not want to pay a penny for medicine, EVER, unless I need some service and I am willing to freely choose to pay for that service. I should not be forced to pay for charlatans from my taxes. Nobody should. Charlatans should be 100% private, all of them.

Why the hell are we paying such high taxes for medicine so charlatans are endlessly profiteering, illness-mongering, harassing, bullying, disabling, deceiving, misinforming, and otherwise abusing their position. Not a penny should be paid to any charlatan unless the "patient" is happy with the service. Privatization of health is a must. Charlatans do not belong under the state, just like religious fanatics from Churches do not belong there, for they have their own interests in mind, not ours!

I suggest medicine is inherently for profit, and inherently greedy, and is a degree of evil. If you need something, you do not even get it, doctors do not care unless it is an emergency, because when it is not they make less money. It is extremely unethical to wait until a minor irritant becomes a problem, and then still not do anything, until a problem becomes a crisis. And when the problem is a crisis, they disable you and make the biggest possible profit on your problem since they maintain you disabled for life, and make the problem worse and worse, so ideally they make it so bad that you die while they made the biggest possible money and got rid of garbage. They are bullying you, harassing, torturing, slandering, and disabling you, with an intent to kill you.

All medicine is for profit. No medicine in the world is there to help people. But psychiatry is an extreme machiavellinism, like all quackery is.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby quackery » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:44 am

Riccola wrote:
quackery wrote:
I suggest medicine is inherently for profit, and inherently evil. If you need something, you do not even get a good service, doctors do not care unless it is an emergency, because when it is one they make more money. It is extremely unethical to wait until a minor irritant becomes a problem, and then still not do anything, until a problem becomes a crisis. And when the problem is a crisis, they disable you and make the biggest money possible on your problem. They maintain the problem and make it worse, so ideally they make money for your entire life on bullying you, harassing, torturing, slandering, and disabling you.

All medicine is for profit. No medicine in the world is there to help people.




I regret to say Ive seen it first hand. Mainstream psychiatry has no intent to ever cure anyone, just read all the mainstream literature 'diseases requiring the management of psychotropics, often for life" I have no doubt the cures, (or at least the best management in others) for mental illness both hard and easy are being withheld. Cures are not as profitable as expensive 'treatments' for life.


Yes, very expensive disabling treatment to maintain a pill-induced disability and facilitate it ideally for life, with a prognosis of getting worse and worse over the years, and complications such as parkinsonism, diabetes, cholesterol, heart issues, excessive weight from being disabled, serious brain damage, and brutal dementia, retardation, etc. No medical qualities of curative effects are found. Studies showing those drugs more efficient than placebo in treating something are always 3, exactly as required to pass a drug, but hundreds of studies for the same drugs exist showing no improvement as compared to a placebo, and those studies are not published by the drug-company-sponsored researcher. The researchers only publish what they are paid for, and the cruel truth is they are paid by pharmaceutical giants to pass a drug of any kind.

If I test "sugar" times and times over again in my own studies, designed by me, I will be able to find at least in a month or so the 3 studies I need to pass "sugar" as the new treatment of life problems, and I will sell it under an obscure name, antiproblematic, and deceive that it has medical qualities for treatment of those who have life problems, and have it officially approved based on meeting the requirements. This is how the gap in the drug approval process gets exploited for 50+ years. It started in 1950 with Chlor (very toxic, very poisonous). In Syria Chlor is used as a chemical weapon to disable enemies at war, in America Chlor was sold for a ton of money to treat (think disable) those who were labeled mentally ill (think they had a conflict with someone in the society). Soon, Chlor was called Chlorpromazine to sound more scientific, and then renamed to Thorazine to deceive and hide that it's Chlor. It caused parkinsonism, involuntary movement, numbing, dulling, serious disability, etc. All that the so-called antipsychotics do today, it blocked dopamine and serotonine, adrenaline, etc. Basically disabled person by poisoning... Remember, any drug these quacks have invented is a drug meant to disable, and it is always poisoning via something, never different than what Chlor did.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby quackery » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:29 am

Psychiatry is a genocide with political motivations. The 85% of the society agrees to exterminate the remaining 15% who have life problems. Politicians agree too. It is better for the society to get rid of people with life problems.

Think of Romney and his deceptive rhetoric about psychiatry. Romney wanted to get rid of garbage in the US. Hitler would offer the exactly same treatment compared to psychiatrists, in his nazi concentration camps, where not unsurprisingly, Hitler imprisoned everybody who got labeled mentally ill. In the concentration camps, Hitler exterminated everyone. He is, in fact, a demagogue just like the politicians who keep running psychiatry for every state. They are Hitlers in their heart and wish extermination for some just as he did.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby Mottec » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:43 am

Here are some phrases that could be usefull. They are from Nazi Germany and it is interesting to consider, if politicians and psychiatrists still use them in their rethoric and argumentation today.

they are

Lebensuntwert: "Not worthy of life", the nazis considered mentally ill the same as jews, criminals and gypsys. They should be gassed.

Dasein ohne leben: "existence without life", they argued that mentally ill had no meaningfull existence at all, and thus no reason to live.
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Re: Psychiatry is not for your benefit.

Postby rsrch » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:43 pm

Psychiatry is a tyranny. Ethnical cleansing, genocide because people could hate one another to such an extent. In the US, victims of tyranny used their miranda rights and shot some tyrants with machine guns. That was the shooting at colleges, theaters, etc. Those people were oppressed by tyrants, and we are oppressed now too. I think we have all in common that we are healthy, and oppressed by tyrants. They do poisoning without gas, just using toxic drugs.
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