Facts about psychiatry

Hi,
I have 2 suggestions for improvement.

1: would you like to strenghten your truth about psychiatry by explaining psychiatry as a rhetoric, mental disease as a rhetorical metaphor for unacceptable behavior, [forced] drugging as a chemical restraint, psychiatrists as jailers, hospitalization as imprisonment? Reference: Thomas Szasz @ www.szasz.com

2: Would you like to consider explaining psychiatry is a religion, very brutal one, where human rights are violated in favor of torture which is used as a method of changing unacceptable behavior? Torture results in more damage to the victim and to the society than any behavior it was supposed to change. Rhetoric is used to advocate the religion, and to justify crimes against humanity, incl. nonstop ongoing abuses of human rights.

Historically, people believed in witchcraft as a religion and burned any victims who seemed to have done anything unusual, or were around when something unusual happened. Victims were set on fire while alive. Even christianity was used to cut hands or otherwise brutalize and cripple normal healthy people who in the eyes of the religious groups have sinned.

Today, the religious group is psychiatry. Historically, the strong believers have tortured victims for any unacceptable behavior or thoughts, threw them into snake pits to scare them, resulting in many deaths, drown them in the water to cause an intentional brain damage, cut into their brains through the victims eye sockets in psychosurgery, damaged their brains via torturous electric shocks, and today they damage victims brains via toxic drugs that keep victims semiconscious and unable to defend in any way. For talking back, the drug dose gets increased, and the normal, healthy victim is called "severely delusional", and indefinitely imprisoned by strong believers and extremists of this mainstream religious group.

Strong rhetoric is used for advocacy and justification, as well as to convince non-believers to believe in this religion, and to torture others. Historically, other torturous religions were taught at universities, and undoubtedly at the time of witchraft people were learning how to identify and brutalize witches. There were "experts" who did that, and other "experts" who could use the language and words in such ways as to persuade others. Historically, 4 centuries BC, Aristotle taught the art of persuasion, and undoubtedly we have a powerful religion which persuades the majority of educated men, exploiting our historical weakness of believing "doctors are gods who know everything". [Except they don't, they have a blind religion, and others who know what they are doing just like to torture, imprison, brutalize, exercise power over victims, and get paid for it. If they did not like torture, they would not do it. At the time of witchraft, these same extremely religious people would burn witches - innocent victims, and they would now brutalize those who were non-christians. In an environment with a (nearly) 100% psychiatrist religion, believers punish victims by execution as brutal as when islamists find non-believers in a (nearly) 100% islamic environment.]

P.S.: anyone who himself or herself behaves in an unacceptable way gets punished by drugging which is a chemical restraint, preventing you from any deep thoughts, making you unable to defend, to work, to study, or to care for yourself. And secondly, you will be make "harmless" and "helpless" via drugging, but also "suicidal" and it is not a side-effect, it is a direct effect because of how badly disabled the drug will makes you.

And secondly, if you feel bad or have any unacceptable behavior, the only thing psychiatrists can do for you is to imprison you in a hospital, and force drugging on you, to make you "harmless" to yourself and others, and at the same time "helpless" and "sucicidal". So in reality only "harmless to others" and deeply damaged, tortured by the drug.

Therefore you are the only one who can help yourself in case of any problems with your feelings or behavior or thoughts. Nobody else in the world has answers to your problems. Everybody's problems are different, and that's life, that's normal. If you are most of the time alone, or not talking to anyone, you become disagreeable in the eyes of others, and they may complain and psychiatrize you / brutalize you as a revenge and punishment. This punitive effect is all psychiatry has. If you come yourself and complain about yourself, they also only give you a punishment.

Those who were tortured and imprisoned in hospitals always got out only when they BSed that the drugs are helping and making them feel better. Quacks know the drugs are restraint, they know they are making you disabled, they know you feel worst in your life, they also know they can BS you to make you believe that you need those drugs [without telling you why], and that those drugs are good for you [without telling you how or why]. Here is how and why: you need those drugs to be harmless to others, and you are BSed to believe they are good when they are only good for others who want you harmless. Disrupting brain function, making you sick and weak, poisoned, intoxicated, and suffering torture. That is all these drug do, all to make you harmless to others.

These is absolutely no help in psychiatry, never was, never will be. Those who had a life problem and recovered could as well do so without being tortured, BSed, chemically restrained, deprived of their rights, and stigmatized for life.

There is no man in this world who cannot decide for himself, but can listen, speak, and read and write meaningful things other people can understand.

Psychiatry is a religion with some of the most extremely religious fanatics who studied it, torturing others for not believing, or not knowing, or not obeying their extremists bible. Remember, in an environment with a (nearly) 100% psychiatrist religion, believers punish victims by execution as brutal as when islamists find non-believers in a (nearly) 100% islamic environment.

psychiatry as a religion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2625374/

neuroleptic drugs do act as chemical restraints, and that is the main use to which they are put
in psychiatric practice. It is time that we as a society come to terms with the reality that
these drugs are not medications in any ordinary sense of the term. They are chemical restraints
with no medical qualities whatsoever. The travesty of hiding these procedures in the guise of
"necessary medical intervention" needs to be exposed and brought to an end.
http://www.madinamerica.com/2014/07/use ... estraints/

psychiatry has no scientific or medical basis. It is a rhetorical enterprise.
Vilifies behavior seen by the society as bad, and exaggerates behavior seen as good.
Uses coercion and violence to punish behavior. Victims are detained and tortured
with neuroleptics while systematically deceived. Rhetoric is used to justify the
crimes, cruel and inhumane treatment.
http://www.szasz.com/vatz2.html

what things are called is unspeakably more important than what the are.
Linguistic determinism
rhetoric


Consider how you counter an unfair accusation: "You are sick!".

"I am not sick!"
"I am not unhealthy."

Which one works better?

Or "mental illness is a BS!"
vs.
"There is a mounting body of evidence that mental illness is a made-up rhetorical metaphor, that people are not unhealthy, and that they only have some ideas, feelings, or behaviors that others find disagreeable."

Experts agree intoxicating people with drugs does no good to them, and helps not with any ideas, feelings, or behaviors. Drawing, talking, music, or other activities help not, and limiting freedoms, removing rights, calling people names, public shaming, lock ups, helps not.

Selling pill-induced disability to people who are not unhealthy helps not.

However, to anyone who has a problem with behavior, feelings, or ideas it helps amazingly when he or she is listened to, and carefully, advice is given with a courtesy, empathy, and respect.

Where are we now? People are given a pill-induced disability and derogatory names, stripped of all rights, imprisoned by charlatans using rhetoric on people, and attacking people by suggesting they are inferior in every way and need to stay "managed" (chemically disabled by drugs).

Where should we be? People should be given tailor-made advice, or tailor-made support helping them to overcome the life difficulty that they got into, while keeping high standards, courtesy, empathy, and real well-being in mind.

Historically, quackery is about telling people they have non-existent illnesses, and selling them toxic poisons that are supposedly magic treatments for anything, including for feelings, or thoughts, or behaviors. Quackery, through its use of rhetoric, makes nobody doubt even a word, and people have been fooled by foul doctors, voluntarily gave over their dear family to live in a foul and disgusting environment, under a lockup, with pill-induced disability (poisoning). Had ethics existed in medicine, this would have never happened. Had moral existed in the society, this would have never been tolerated. Had education been more pervasive and prevalent, parents would not punish their adult grown-up men and women.

Quackery has been always present in every society, rich or poor, educated or simple, western or spiritual, modern or ancient. I propose that we as a community realize the omnipresence of quackery in every culture, at every age of the humanity, and that we accept it for what it is. There is no way we can carry on with our lives if we keep believing in those words of the quacks and their proponents. We, as the opposition must realize the modern societies have been fooled, whether we speak of the US, the UK, India, China, or Russia. Doctors are not having our well-being in mind, for they have their mind full of a demand for money and influence.

At every age, including the age of burning normal healthy people as witches, the age of throwing people into snake pits, the age of drowning people, the age of ice-pick shoved through eye sockets as a lobotomy, the age of ancient shamans and pharaoh drilling holes into people's heads, at every age there were charlatans not listening to people's problems, and punishing people for what they said, how they behaved, or for how they felt.

These charlatans have the same power today as at any time of the previous ages, and although today we condemn the lobotomist as deadly wrong, torturous, sick in his head, we at the same time know the lobotomist has received a nobel prize for his great deception, and undoubtedly a torturer in today's terms was not discredited as a sneaky oil snake a few decades ago, and crippled thousands of innocent people.

I propose that psychiatrists are all deadly wrong, all here to cripple you for the pleasure, power, and profit. Drugs that are advertised to cure are at the same time shamelessly used to cripple, and never cured anyone of anything. Quackery and toxic poisoning that disabled healthy men was here in every society, at every age, including Before Christ (BC) and probably will be here forever.

Quackery is not rare. Naive belief that some toxic drug solves your problem has survived for several thousands years. Wrongly, I must say. It is as old as humanity itself. Please realize there is no magic potion that solves all your problems, or any of your problems. The only drugs that work are those drugs that are issued after a scientific medical check, detecting some virus, or some biological detectable impairment. Quackery has never scientifically detected any impairment, it has always convinced by the word of mouth. Realize how quackery has ruined your life, and mine too. Realize, how it keeps us upset every day, to the point where we comment against it on forums. Realize, how for thousands of years it has survived, not being successfully stopped by anyone. Think: Why did the previous efforts to stop quackery fail? Observe: why did nobody stop politicians from manipulating billions (trillions and more) people to believe in something very untrue?

Quackery, I agree with you on a lot of stuff. Psychiatry is nothing more then relative observation where a psychiatrist can take complete control over another human being without any evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Science, law, medicine, economics, ect do not work this way.


Psychiatry is a tool for control. Psychiatry has always been used to squash dissent and to legally take control over people who are deemed undesirable for what ever reason good or bad. In short a garbage disposal made for humans. A perfect example was communist Russia where anyone apposed to the regime was hospitalized for speaking the truth about it.

Society needs to know the truth about psychiatry no matter how ugly it is. Nothing can change until psychiatry begins to listen to people no matter how bizarre they may seem to sound, begin to have morals, and begin to respect human rights.

There are people who need nothing more than unconditional support being subjected to unimaginable torture. People being brutally punished for symptoms they can not control. People who can change the world for the better are drugged up and emotionally abused just for having ideas others can not understand. Psychiatry punishes people just for existing.

Few people know that and more often than not because psychiatry stigmatizes people. Psychiatry often makes people worse while the general population believes that is simply part of the illness.

Psychiatry, like many other rhetorics that strip you of human rights traps people in an inescapable system which destroys them morally, culturally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, psychologically and intellectually.

Riccola wrote:Group X can take complete control over people without any evidence...

In the beginning of the world, there was politics. A group with a complete control over people without any evidence. Throughout thousands of years styles of politics varied, dramatically, yet it can be said control over people always stayed. Historically, we are in control not.

Rhetoric, the art of persuasion, is the only reason why we have democracy. It is not that we, people, rule. It is that we are persuaded as a society to voluntarily do what the Group X wants.

You said [quote=Riccolla]Science, law, medicine, economics, ect do not work this way.[/quote], I'm afraid they do. Vast majority of the society in every democratic country in the world is doing exactly what the political agenda is. Historically, people always were ruled by dictators, and the difference between dictatorship and democracy lies in rhetoric which provides a very agreeable justification for anything without any evidence. That explains "Group X can take complete control over people...without any evidence". It has always been like that in democracy. It is about the majority and their fallacy, i.e. influencing the majority is not difficult for the rulers.

[quote=Riccolla]Society needs to know the truth about Group X... Nothing can change until Group X begins to listen to people...[/quote]
The people always complain, historically, nowadays, tomorrow. They say "You, politicians, do not listen to our problems!". To which the politicians cleverly answer "We are listening to your problems every day." When you read this, observe how the politician's voice is always right, and how the ordinary person is always wrong. Any complaint or dispute is answered via clever rhetoric and public relations (spinning). We even have dedicated professional "spin doctors" who advise what to say to the public.

So we have a dictatorship, historically we always had, and always will have for as long as the society "needs to know the truth". But trust me that in more than 2000 years, the society does not know the truth, never knew, and statistically speaking never will.

There is no age in more than 2000 years of humanity when quackery did not exist, or politicians did not exist, or people ruled without undue influence imposed by their rulers.

In science, in law, in medicine people do what their client wants, and very often they just suck all money of the client and do not care about anything for as long as he pays. He is a dictator. In other situations, instead of a client there is a politician in a role of a manager. The manager thinks not about the product, or the company, but about his own power, influence, self-service, and money.

The society is the society, take it as it is, they are easily influenced by any powerful ruler or any powerful group, and the voice of that powerful group is always more than the voice of a person. Especially important is rhetoric which is used to influence me, you, our families, individuals, and masses of all backgrounds, all educations.

To defeat our opponents and to push our better ideology of caring for people with life difficulties requires that we become an influential group. We would need to create a political party and influence masses to agree that our agenda is the best for them. We can use all dirty tricks other groups use.

Taking the situation as it is, how many people want to improve the care for people with life difficulties, and how much budget can be allocated to that for 2016-2017, how easy/difficult it is to convince masses they need this as a priority immediately, etc. etc.

See, we have a problem that we are not any highly influential group, and the only lobbying happens from the human rights camps, and it is very bad we do not have any lobbying from us as a group coming to the masses, or to senators, and other politicians.

In 2000+ years, nobody has significantly improved the care, it is still what is was, just better concealed to make pill-induced disability less obvious (called just "disability" and used mysteriously, so nobody understands the disability is the effect of the disabling drug, and that it is the only effect, that the drug is intended to disable, and that the charlatans know all this but conceal it and deceive us and everybody else to just blindly trust them and disable ourselves voluntarily. Everybody who is disabled does not even have a right to know why or how, and all disabled people in the world deserve to know the drug is not a treatment as in "treating a disease" but it is a treatment as in "disability-inducing treatment" similar to "amputation treatment". Who needs to be treated, in other words, needs to be disabled.

It is a great taboo: people with disabilities. These people were given disabilities induced by their drugs. Without drugs, there is no disability. The word "disability" and the word "treatment" both mean the same.

The treatment induces disability for the safety of others who complained about your behavior that for them your behavior is unacceptable. You will possibly never find out what the drug does, and never hear that "treatment" is "pill-induced disability" or "disabling treatment" to make you unable to do anything that could annoy or harm others.

When arguing with your brother, if he complains, you get imprisoned, disabled, BSed the disability-inducing treatment is just a "treatment of your illness" and you will be also told it is a "help". But not for you, for those who have complained about you.

Historically, nobody has ever defeated politicians, or stopped quackery, or educated the vast majority of society to understand rhetoric, how to spot it, how to reason with it, how to counteract it.

And to conclude, historically, who convinces better wins. We can educate ourselves in rhetoric, politics, and especially dirty tricks that newspaper editors and reporters use. Then we can perhaps get some influence and manipulate masses a bit.

Until then, masses are only manipulated one-sided by our opponents. Nobody in masses hears our voice, our agenda, or anything like that. Quacks make money every time they manipulate people, we don't make a cent by telling the truth.

Something that rhetoric relies on. Think of our society:
They are the entertainment of minds unfurnished with ideas, and therefore easily susceptible of impressions; not fixed by principles, and therefore easily following the current of fancy; not informed by experience, and consequently open to every false suggestion and partial account. -- Samuel Johnson

-quackery- and -Riccola- etc....

-quackery- etc... Your above posts are the best that I have seen in explaining the -EVILS- of Psychiatry and Mental illness etc... The way you worded these above posts would make an educated person better understand the -EVILS- of the past and or todays Psychiatry...

Find a way to address these issues with the Highly Educated Classes etc... and if at all possible come up with an alternative answer to past and present Psychiatry.... Please print your possible answer here in this forum first so you can have a possible response from -RIccola- etc... Thank You.