Meds for life

Copy_Cat wrote:

Christopher2045 wrote:
Last time I tapered off my meds it didn't end to well. Though, I feel I wasn't living right and wasn't taking the right approach. I was using alcohol and smoked pot a couple times. One of them through my mind off. I'm not going to come off them again without assistance.

My main problem is sleep. Whenever my sleep goes off, I become hypomanic, which soon enough turns into mania.

Ever try Seroquel for sleep ? The trick I found was to only take it as needed and in the smallest dose it takes to get to sleep.

I know what you mean with hypo-manic turning to mania , I used to call that getting "too tired to rest"
or too tired to sleep. Then drink to try to try and chill. I drank myself all the way to hospital the very last time and they tried putting me on a ton of pills for "bipolar".

One of the reasons I put up a fight refusing all those make you a flat zombie drugs in the hospital is because I knew if I was compliant when I left and then quit that zombie all day crap like I knew I would I would have REBOUND INSOMNIA and other withdrawal reactions and have to taper or get sick AGAIN ! I even got threatened with a needle but continued to refuse cause I figured out that's how they keep you sick and F that.

The reason I started taking pills and got caught up in psychiatry in the first place was insomnia. That was my first complaint that lead to years of psych med hell. I knew nothing about tolerance and withdrawal or addiction or dependence. But thanks to psychiatry I learned about that hell.


Anyway half a Seroquel 25mg tab puts me to sleep if I need it and doesn't make me zombie the next day. I have a just in case stash of it from doctor for insomnia.

Melatonin will also put me to sleep but I have been recovered for years now, in the beginning no way it would have.

I had tried suroquel and it didn't sit right with me. Actually made me agitated and gave me tremors. I was on depakote which I heard is similar and that always put me to sleep. But, I hate that ######6 med as it caused all sorts of other problems.
The problem is more of a sleep disorder, than whatever diagnosis they want to call it. I want to try ambien. I have Ativan and if I'm having trouble sleeping a couple of them will usually put me to sleep.

Malasha wrote:@Christopher2045

I want to find alternatives. I'm willing to try anything. Diet, mindfulness,exercise..

If you want to come off of medication you need to be ready that you will have to remove the symptoms himself instead of having to take pills.
That is, they are not going anywhere, and you have referred to them as to the variant of your normal state of health. And you have to switch on your brains and not to do anything stupids.
This will not always be easy.
And you will need to learn to relax. All these states arise from a strong inner tension.
You don't notice these stresses but they are there. Pay attention to the tensions of the muscles of the face and head. Close your eyes and track these stresses. And then try to relax.
Excuse me for my English

Interesting. Will have to try this.

Christopher2045 wrote:I think your opinions very biased. They don't all just care about money. Many of them, yes. But, alot of them go into the field because they generally care about people. Maybe, it's not a rEAl science, but meds do help many people. How do schizofrenics deal with voices/hallucinations? It must be pretty hard without certain meds.

To the contrary, they do effect MANY people in a negative way. Such as perscribing anti-deppresents after a 10 minute appoitment, which triggers a manic episode. Or keeping somebody on anti-psychotics after a single traumatic event. Perscribing benzos just because somebody is a little anxious, which leads to addiction.

Everybody's opinions are very biased. The most biased are charlatans, though. In fact, unlike them, I I can scientifically prove most of the things I am saying.

Drugs that are called antipsychotics do not have any antipsychotic effect. Specifically, they are brain disrupting drugs, causing suffering and a serious disability.

I will talk about Risperidone which I was brutalized with and tortured with.

Risperidone is an antihistamine, it dries up bodily fluids, incl. your prostate. It causes a terrible suffering. The mechanism of work is that it dries up parts of your brain, so that the cerebral fluid cannot nourish your brain properly, and your brain is severely disrupted, parts are slowly dying, and you cannot use your brain. It is being terroristically, brutally, ruthlessly, psychopathically attacked by crazy sick charlatans who received complaints about you, and this is your punishment.

I am sick and tired of charlatans using rhetoric to lie that this brutal torture is "help", that it makes anybody's life better. It is a serious torture, like waterboarding, and it attacks your most important organ for life.

Historically, these crazy mentally disordered lunatics called "psychiatrists" have always received complaints about somebody's behavior, and brutally tortured him, bullsh*****tted him, and often murdered him or forced him to commit a suicide.

They have been BSing an illness is responsible for any behavior that was complained about, and they have never found any illness. They never will. They are crazy charlatans. Historically, they were saying people need bleeding to bleed the illness out. They were in reality very aware there is no disease, and making a victim bleed excessively, often to death, will resolve any complaints about the victim's behavior. When victims survived, they were disabled due to the loss of blood.

Further, these crazy lunatics, charlatans, quacks were drilling holes in the head, and damaging the brain like that. Victims were again just normal people that somebody complained about to these quacks. After the brain damage, victims were disabled, and nobody complained about their behavior.

Historically, they were tortured in snake pits, where quacks were locking victims up, victims were normal people like you and me, and they were in a pit with snakes! Quacks were BSing this treats an illness, but there was never any illness. This was an extremely brutal torture that was given to victims for misbehavior that was complained about.

If you have anything to do with quacks, the most typical scenario is that somebody has complained to them about your behavior. This is what it is. Brutal torture done by crazy mentally disordered lunatics who do it for money and power.

I have downloaded the textbook of psychiatry published by Oxford and I found it uses rhetoric and never any science. It never proves any diseases that it lists exist. There is no evidence, only a belief, and that belief is just rhetorical metaphor rather than anything medical.

Whatever your problem with behavior, feelings, or thoughts is you will NEVER ever get better when you allow brutal torturers to disable you. Even those victims who have hallucinations or delusions do not benefit at all, ever, from being violently and forcibly disabled by dirty perverted psychopathic torturers, psychiatrists.

How is it any help to anyone to have his/her brain attacked, and become disabled? There is *NOTHING* else these crazy quacks do to you, apart from BSing you that you are receiving a treatment when you are not.

They use rhetoric and salesmanship to sell drugs that torture your brain and disable you. If they help, they only help themselves to money and power, and to those who complained about your behavior.

Seriously, there is nothing else the so-called antipsychotics such as risperidone do. They are antihistamines and these are drugs that dry up the body, and most importantly the brain. Your brain being dried up, it does not get the cerebral fluid which is nourishing it, and your brain starts dying. You are disabled, cannot have any deep thoughts, can barely breath, it is attacking your central nervous system, causing a rhytmic involuntary movement, damaging all you have.

Seriously, these quacks would have drilled holes into your skull, drowned you in a coffin under water until unconscious and after brain damage was done they would ressurect you, torture you with electric shocks that damage the tissue in your brain, shove an ice pick up your eye sockets and damage your brain with it, ALL INVOLUNTARILY, just because some a-hole complained about your behavior.

Why do you believe those sneaky snakes? I would *mod edit*. They have tortured and crippled many people, murdered them, including Marilyn Monroe who they shot with drugs to death, and they are BSing, abusing their doctoral education for a great torture and injustice. They have no ethics, no moral, only want money and fame or power. Crazy bastard charlatans. If you want to live, avoid them.

Nobody gets any help. You can only trust them to stab you in the back, to slander you, to fool you, and to disable you based on complaints expressed by others.

I have read Robert Whitakers, Mad In America, so I do know about their horrifying methods, which they claim help people, when in actuality it's complete inhumane torture. I don't believe in this made up science either. Mental health patients are like puppets accepting a false science, which is influenced by big-pharma. Maybe if these psychiatrists would focus on ways of recovery from psychotropics and alternatives there would be a significant decrease in mental illness. Why they do not do this? MONEY. And it's sick. People that take antidepressants have over a 90% chance of going back into relapse, While people who are not giving these drugs have a higher success rate of beating depression.
So what do these drugs do? They make people relapse. Keep you in the system.


I'm finally off trillafon. Now all I need to do is get off This anti-psychotic saphris 10mg a night. I know what these drugs do to you. That's why I'm trying to get off them before it's too late. If She will agree to let me come off it all I will be on would be a mood-stabalizer lamictal. And if that's what could keep me stable I wouldn't mind taking that one pill


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quackery wrote:
Everybody's opinions are very biased. The most biased are charlatans, though. In fact, unlike them, I I can scientifically prove most of the things I am saying.

Drugs that are called antipsychotics do not have any antipsychotic effect. Specifically, they are brain disrupting drugs, causing suffering and a serious disability.

I will talk about Risperidone which I was brutalized with and tortured with.

Risperidone is an antihistamine, it dries up bodily fluids, incl. your prostate. It causes a terrible suffering. The mechanism of work is that it dries up parts of your brain, so that the cerebral fluid cannot nourish your brain properly, and your brain is severely disrupted, parts are slowly dying, and you cannot use your brain. It is being terroristically, brutally, ruthlessly, psychopathically attacked by crazy sick charlatans who received complaints about you, and this is your punishment.

I am sick and tired of charlatans using rhetoric to lie that this brutal torture is "help", that it makes anybody's life better. It is a serious torture, like waterboarding, and it attacks your most important organ for life.

Historically, these crazy mentally disordered lunatics called "psychiatrists" have always received

Further, these crazy lunatics, charlatans, quacks were drilling holes in the head, and damaging the brain like that. Victims were again just normal people that somebody complained about to these quacks. After the brain damage, victims were disabled, and nobody complained about their behavior.

Historically, they were tortured in snake pits, where quacks were locking victims up, victims were normal people like you and me, and they were in a pit with snakes! Quacks were BSing this treats an illness, but there was never any illness. This was an extremely brutal torture that was given to victims for misbehavior that was complained about.

If you have anything to do with quacks, the most typical scenario is that somebody has complained to them about your behavior. This is what it is. Brutal torture done by crazy mentally disordered lunatics who do it for money and power.

I have downloaded the textbook of psychiatry published by Oxford and I found it uses rhetoric and never any science. It never proves any diseases that it lists exist. There is no evidence, only a belief, and that belief is just rhetorical metaphor rather than anything medical.

Whatever your problem with behavior, feelings, or thoughts is you will NEVER ever get better when you allow brutal torturers to disable you. Even those victims who have hallucinations or delusions do not bene

They use rhetoric and salesmanship to sell drugs that torture your brain and disable you. If they help, they only help themselves to money and power, and to those who complained about your behavior.

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Nobody gets any help. You can only trust them to stab you in the back, to slander you, to fool you, and to disable you based on complaints expressed by others.

Most people don't get the real help they need because the quaks don't care about how you are truly feeling, or they wouldnt be handing out disabling psychotropics like candy. And not just one. As many as possible!$$ most patients are too brainwashed to realize this and they accept that beeing of feeling helpless.

My only fear of coming off saphris without notice from my p.a. Would be if it triggered something I would have no place to go for help. They wouldn't take me back because of my history. I need a backup. I do hope one day I will never have to step into a psychiatrists office again. But, that day isn't now.

I'm looking into CBT, reading everything on alternatives, learning from psychiatric survivors. We all know that the longer you are on a certain med the longer it is going to need to taper off of it.
If you abruptly stop any med you are going to have problems and possible psychosis. This is why i am being extremely cautious this time around.

One day at a time
Every day is progress.



Copycat- I'm going to pick up a bottle of melatonin and see how it works.

quackery wrote:I am sick and tired of charlatans using rhetoric to lie that this brutal torture is "help",

http://youtu.be/fLktVtStHfI?t=22s

Cool song copycat. Very creative. There's a couple more I found on youtube as well.