Is recovery for all a lie?

Do you think different treatments have various success rates? Are some traumas and illnesses more complex than others?

Indeed, it is undoubtedly so. I.e. depression has a different treatment plan than a personality disorder, and one is even more widely understood. This isn't a judgment but fact.

Thus, we can logically conclude that the mental health field finds it easier to treat some patients more than others, and that in a perfect world, depression is treated faster than a personality disorder. There's nothing wrong with that; this should actually benefit the system by leaving authorities more time and energy to focus on their most severe patients. Yet, it's even been my experience that the more issues a patient has, the less likely he/she will get better. They could be receiving the same treatment as their neighbor, who will make a successful recovery (and within a healthy time frame), but he/she never will. This does not make sense. Either one size does not fit all, or there is a disproportional bias towards aiding the "straightforward” patients. In truth, I think it's probably a little of both.

I don't know if my topic is totally appropriate here, but I did want to share. What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a valid argument, and if so what can we plebeians do to improve it?

Also, I apologize if my post is fairly vague, but in a way I think some people will get it more than others (hence where the problems arise). But, feel free to ask for clarification or correct me where I didn't write something quite right (it's early and I haven't had my cup of coffee yet). I enjoy hearing the contradictions and irregularities in my posts so that I can better improve--thank you all for your time!

I think your post is in the right place. Its ok to be critical of psychiatry or treatment in this forum even though its not flat out anti-psychiatry. Psychiatry re-form, opinions and observations are welcome too.

Can they make "well" out of "ill" ? And what really is "mentally ill" and normal anyway ?

Recovery I think is more about learning to live with it. Or just learning to live.

Opinions and not fact seem to me to be the basis on much more of the human world than I think is imagined it is. Once an opinion (in all the forms it comes in) is reinforced by compliance, it is "accepted". Over time, further reinforcement or counter opinion will either strengthen and solidify the opinion or alter it, and if it is altered, then that new opinion starts a new journey of compliance and possibly counter opinion.

I am thinking that the very basis of many things in the medical world is often or largely the above, especially the mental illness area. I know the medical world does have some science behind it but its not immune from the destructive force of opinion masquerading as fact or from the numerous non-science aspects of its field.
The words used to define symptoms, to create names and labels for what is perceived to be wrong with a person, come from a biased viewpoint, a viewpoint that all humans are all the same and that there is a state of being which we should all be like or aim to be like in order to have a "happy life". And so we cannot view what is alleged is wrong with a person when the very definitions of so many things are highly questionable, to say the least.

Since there is plenty of evidence that the healthcare industry is actually the sick care industry, that few people are cured of anything and instead, that we have our symptoms "managed", so we can become lifelong drug addicts, I believe we should treat the mental illness area with the same level of suspicion and questioning and that not only do they not exist for the purposes of actually improving anything for the public, but that the very premise of their "profession" is unproven and not based on facts but opinion and biased viewpoints.
Over time, these opinions have been conveyed to the public as truth and sometimes facts and that those people who do not live as the white coat mafia believe all people should live, need "fixing".
The public give ready deference to the white coat mafia as to "what is wrong and how I can fixed" when they believe or feel that something is wrong, because the public are told that mental health is complex and requires lengthy education to understand.
Therefore, anyone who has gone through that process and has scraps of paper framed on their desk attesting to their "qualifications", gets readily venerated by us and when we worship people in such a way without question, we ignore a multitude of risks as well as giving the revered the idea that they are "experts", they are "right" and powerful, which can warp their reality and perception, as well as alter their attitudes and behavior towards others.

The reason that "depression" is treated differently is because of the opinion that it is a chemical-based problem and so their solution is to employ some form of chemical to "fix" it. In addition, this so-called illness has been determined a long time before "personality disorders" were and thus, the machinery of the industry has had less time to understand them than "depression".

To my thinking, so-called personality disorders seem to be just different ways of being and that they are only regarded as a disorder when they are at variance with the perception and notions of normality. But I don't believe there is a normality or at least the same one for everyone and that such a concept is just someone's idea and opinion that everyone is subsequently compared against.

The drive to understand, categorize, label, name, group, pigeon-hole etc., everything in the world is a human weakness, one that comes from a fearful mindset of "having to know" about everything. This is done so we can feel safe (this is how religion has come to be such a force). And in this mindset, people are insatiable in their drive to give determinations about everything and for those things that are perceived (by so-called experts) to be "not nice", "bad" or "wrong", a negative set of words is formed for its definition and dished out as "truth". We don't see any nice words in a symptom list for a medical condition or mental illness condition, do we?

And once a label (good or bad) has been applied to something, then that something is viewed only with that label in mind and treated/interacted with the definition of the label. This applies to people as individuals, as well as to any group of people, all other living things, other things in nature and things that are only human, such as like attitudes, most behavior, thoughts.

So someone is given the label as being depressed. The person then identifies with that label and they say "I am depressed" or "I have depression", because they believe it to be true since the person issuing that determination has "qualifications", an office, staff and has the "air of authority" about them. This term is thus now part of that person's identity, their life and who they are now and they live each day as a "person with depression". Other people treat that person as "a depressed person", including the white coat mafia. To many people, the person is no longer Kevin or Susan, a photographer or a car mechanic, a husband or a wife, or any other things that a person may be or does.
The person thus becomes the label principally and so the person "lives as a depressed person would live", because they are reminded on a continuous basis, that "I have depression". This can bring about suffering, even if it did not exist or exist to any problematic degree before the determination of the label.

There is a seemingly increasing list of illnesses as time goes by, and which the pharma crooks are busy at inventing medicine for them, if they haven't already got them in the lab that is and are just "waiting for an illness to be found".

As to your question, even if I was to accept that all these illness/disorders were real, humans know such little about the human mind and so the reasons why someone will be perceived as getting well with method A and why someone else won't by method A won't be known for some time, I suspect.

And also, I think many people can alleviate much of any suffering, if they take time to examine themselves and why, actually, they are suffering. Often I think it must be because a person compares and believes how their life should be and find that it isn't.

I think you have some good points. A diagnosis can be very hard to conquer. Its almost impossible to live like before, because 95% of people buy the chemical bio model.

If you have some advice on how to have " a life" when in psychiatry, please do share.

I beliebe personality disorders to be a good guideline for what is normal behaviours. I think thats fine. My problem is that the more severe mental ilnesses like schizo(which is one of my diagnosis) isnt believed to be helped by therapy.

For instance on this site you can share your delusions or go to therapy and talk about them. But If you have schizophrenia or other "psychotic" disorder the answer is medication. It doesnt makes sense, think about schizoid and schizotypal and schizophrenia.

Thye are obviously similar. Isolation is normal with schizoids too, not only for schizophrenics. Why cant people see that schizophrenics also "want relationships" like the schizoid.

Sadly I believe, that there is "black and white" thinking in psychiatry, that some diagnosis are "incurable" so we dont even try

Mottec wrote:If you have some advice on how to have " a life" when in psychiatry, please do share.

Mottec wrote:Sadly I believe, that there is "black and white" thinking in psychiatry, that some diagnosis are "incurable" so we dont even try

Because of the way society has been arranged, in the narrow and limited ways that is has been, I don't think its possible for people who are different to the perceived/accepted definitions of normality to have a life, free from interference, meddling and being "helped" by so-called doctors and experts, if such people bring their differences to the attention of the medicine world or they somehow become apparent.

There is huge variance in humans but we have been shielded from most of that variance, much like we have been shielded from the realities of nature and how our food gets into the supermarkets. The basis of this shielding seems to me to be a view that it would be "disruptive to society" if that variance is allowed to exist in the general population. What this thinking really says is "the cycle of production and consumption (upon which the basis of all societies relies), will be disrupted by having ill people mixed in with non ill people". The machine/system is not really interested in people who cannot produce and consume, because they do neither and so what use are they? So those who can't do either and cannot manage by themselves, are mostly either drugged up or kept away from society in some hospital

In order to believe in various mental illnesses, disorders and dysfunctional behavior, you first have to accept that there is something called "normal" and "well" (or other words that mean the same) about every person and that its the same for every person and also, that it is "society's job" to have everyone in this same way of being.