Abducted, imprisoned, dehumanized, drugged.

Christopher2045 wrote:

slither wrote:I found out that the only way to get out of there is to lie. I did the exact same thing to get out. When I was most "stable" he gave me another anti-psychotic, which kept me asleep throughout the day. The only way to get out was to take it and say I was feeling at my best, just tired. They don't want to see you alert and quick. They like to see their patients dull, emotionless, and cooperative.

Same. I lied and I think everyone does, as in this video/experiment by Rosenhan http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89c_1332 ... comments=1 where the scientists who voluntarily admitted themselves to the hospital and said they heard a voice to the psychiatrists who diagnosed them with a bunch of different disorders then wouldn't let them out until they submitted to their 'treatment' basically.

This is interesting and I think it has broader meaning when picked apart i.e. perhaps psychiatrists, often seeing their patients as the outgroup, you know, seeing them as a stigma, (as in what the majority does perhaps with the exception of aspergers/autistics maybe (because I have a few of them in my family and they never seem to follow the group think), senses people as part of their tribe or outside of their tribe, like from me yesterday when someone on the forum said telepathy existed, my first instinct was to consider them insane because there was no topic for that in my frame of reference of thoughts so instinctively I think I treated the unknown as a danger and stigmatized them as the outgroup i.e. crazy, then later to incidently come across a thought which suggested telepathy was possible then I started to theorize about it and expand on the idea), naturally won't allow the patients into the tribe until either the gap of understanding is bridged or they do what they believe basically. Maybe acts of kindness can sway the whole group onside as well.

I reckon psychiatrists often see the patients as an outgroup/as a stigma, (would be interesting to do some studies to confirm this), which is self reinforcing because the patients will want to be treated optimally but the psychiatrists will naturally treat the patients without concern because they see them as lesser/outside of the tribe/stigma. I also reckon patients see psychiatrists as an outgroup/as a stigma, which is also self reinforcing because the psychiatrists will want to be treated optimally but the patients will naturally treat the psychiatrists without concern because they see them as lesser/outside of the tribe/stigma naturally as they are giving out drugs which are ######6 well ruining the patient lives often enough to be fair.

I'm not really sure where I'm going with this other than vaguely assuming as more uncovers that a solution be found... Maybe giving acts of kindness is one way to ally the tribes... I mean as KINDNESSTHERAPY suggests in other posts be a way to treat patients, maybe it is also a way to treat psychiatrists who are nutters lol.

I think another thing people do is to just generally stigmatize eachother all of the time depending on their beliefs, so at first a patient may go in thinking this is so unfair on me whilst unkowingly stigmatizing those around them as mental / seeing them as the outgroup until they learn they are all in the same boat.

Wow. Very interesting, indeed. They made him stay for two months.
I had to go to a court hearing while in the hospital and I was originally diagnosed as bipolar 1. He diagnosed me with about 4 different things including shcizoaffective. I have never heard voices and wasn't having any hallucinations. I did become somewhat delusional while in the hospital and it was made worse by the meds I was fed and the patients that that were telling me all sorts of Crazy things. He said I was a danger to myself and others. Which, is very strange because I have never had suicidal thoughts let alone hurting myself. And I have never started a fight in my life. Why would I want to hurt other people? And the biggest complaint was that I wasn't med compliant. Refusing every med he tried on me. Which was not true. He said I was refusing lithium yet he never once mentioned lithium to me.
And what's sad is my parents pretty much believed everything the "doctor" said about me.
So I had to comply compltely and accept the fact that he's the "doctor" and everything he says must be true!
Yes, I will take my Meds.
I know I have a mental disorder and I need to take meds the rest of my life.
I won't drink or do drugs when I am out.
These new drugs are really working for me.
Thank you doctor. I'm sorry for being hard to work with earlier.

So when I was doing best in his words he had mentioned nothing about a new med. why did he have to start me on this new anti-psychotic? I really don't know. I mean I was already on one. If I refused it I probably would of never got out. I am in the process of getting off it right now and thankfully my p.a. Is working with me..

I really hated this man while in the hospital. I felt like he was a con-artist. I also thought he was trying to ###$ me up and got pleasure out of my disgust. This man is now my psychiatrist on the outside. I saw him once. I don't hate him as much. But, everyone with this psychiatrist was staying in the hospital for a very long time compared to the other patients without this doctor. He is considered the best doctor in there. Does he get some kind of pay increase for keeping his patients in longer? I don't know.

how can you treat somebody's personality and what gives you the right of telling me what I should be like as a human being? It's like an attack on a persons character. Creativity is seen as not normal. Basically anybody who works in anything in the creative field. (Artists, producers, musicians, comedians,etc.) these people would be seen as crazy. If psychiatrists ruled the world there would be no religions, art, music, films, comedians, nothing. The world would be plain and boring. Go to work everyday, raise your family, and conform to all the social norms. Anything different and you shall be institutionalized. If there would be religion it would have to be what they believe in.

That would make for a good movie.

Reminds me of The Invasion

Ah ###$. I had a massive reply in place then I logged out. ###$ sake.

Basically I was saying how my experience is the same yada yada yada.

And omg for how ridiculous the doctors were for you too.

I'll see if I can remember some and post some for example I said importantly about a comparative experience how when I was made voluntary patient for a bit and decided to leave the psychiatrist told me he was recommending me for a section on the basis I was a risk to my own health when in reality it was the polar, he/the hospital was the risk to my health lol.

I said be careful with words like delusional and I did it myself at the beginning with treatment ("treat"-ment uh no, definitely no treats involved, imposed harm is no treat) that as a previous poster quackery said *(anti-psych/topic159455.html) they give power to psychiatry by reinforcing their terminology, words like mistheorize and drugging maybe are better, (*oh yeah and the words have like this brainwashing effect because of their false association to positive areas of the tribe/culture/society like medicine but the more we unpick/uncover the falsity the more removed the brainwash, and I think even we are brainwashed if that's the right word to some degree because of the false associations which as reality unfolds become clear)

I just realized there's a "save draft" function under here, I'll use that next time, (it was just that I was composing the message then dashed off to therapy and when I got back the message had gone but now I can use the save draft button next time so no worries my end)

Anyway I think that's all.

That would make a well good movie