Why anti-psych fails in more than 20 years. Can we win it?

I know quite a lot about behaviors and control.

You know what the problem really is? All terms in psychiatry, including the word "psychiatry" are loaded words with deceitful meaning.

Psychiatry is like witchcraft. Only a few centuries ago, people were getting labeled as witches or wizards, and the punishment was burning in fire to death.

Whenever someone got labeled this, it was because of somebody else falling sick, etc.
These days we know that nobody is a witch or wizard, so we do not burn people, but back in the time there were laws for this that stripped victims of human rights and allowed others to burn them alive.

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Similarly as in witchcraft where people believed in witches without any evidence, they now believe in non-physical illnesses that make people misbehave. How difficult is it to challenge it and find the truth when most people believe it? Difficult behaviors get today falsely called disorders or illnesses by quacks in total absence of evidence. Existing evidence suggests that behaviors are not illnesses because in more than 50 years there has not been any brain pathology, and nothing has ever been cured.
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The whole scam uses terms like psychiatry, mental illness, treatment, health, doctor, patient, severely ill, stabilized, medication, etc. All of these terms are cheats and scam.

There is only quackery where fraudulent quacks make loads of money on people who have some life problem and show some, typically annoying, behaviors. To stop those behaviors, quacks assault person's brain and block dopamine or serotonine, or both, to numb the person down, disable him, cause apathy, some incapacitation, and keep him disabled. All is done via BSing. When BSing does not work, quacks use threats and coercion.

The quackery will be there as long as people are believing in it. (like in witchcraft where behavior was caused by somebody who was a witch or wizard, now you believe that behavior is caused by an underlying illness.)

I am guessing that it was only when people became atheists and stopped believing in whatever the church says, that witches stopped being aggressively haunted and murdered for people were no longer convinced or aware.

Todays churches are the media, incl. the Internet. People are staying hooked on this information sources, and they are thinking uncritically, accepting a bunch of horse crap about disease of the mind when in more than 50 years not a single piece of evidence has ever showed up to support that theory. Evidence which we have clearly shows that these disorders do not exist, and that behavior itself is not a disorder.

Every human behavior is normal, although some behaviors offend and annoy others, or the person who behaves in unwanted way himself.

The quackery needs a thorough reform to put the scam away, and reduce its vocabulary, and domain to the truth. (then it would be more like science because it would have parsimony, the ability to see through it the real meanings)

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Every single time somebody contributes to this anti-psych forum, he agrees with himself being labeled "anti-psych" and when a random person googles it, most often the person thinks "anti-psych is anti, and hence not a reliable source of information". Well, I suggest that nobody believes information that is written under the label of "anti-psych".

Secondly, every single time somebody uses a term invented by quacks, such as "mental illness" (instead of calling it behavior), or "psychosis" instead of calling it "unjustified belief / belief without evidence / etc.", it always makes the quacks more powerful because when these terms are being used even in a supposedly "anti-psych" forum, it means the quacks are always winning. They are the leader, we are the follower.

Third, no matter how active everybody in the "anti-psych" forum is, because of the first and second points I believe there is no result except for making quackery stronger by using its terms. And there is not even a blue button to jump straight into "anti-psych" when you do not know that "anti-psych" exists.

So I cannot really see anything that "anti-psych" can possibly do to really inform normal people about this scam business with behavioral control based on highly potent toxic drugs. They are not mind-altering, they are brain-disabling. They are not psychotropics, they are specifically neurotransmitter blockers, and when communication in the brain is blocked it should be called brain-disabling or brain-disrupting, not anything nicer.

The anti-psych, in the 20+ years that it exists, cannot even inform themselves about the truth behind psychiatry. This movement is a failure, and new, more powerful attacks are needed to expose quackery, exploit the weak and unstable roots it has, bring real-world individual cases to courts for human rights, sue for fraud, malpractice, falsifying of medical documentation, false imprisonment (when one can prove it was not good for his health, it made his health worse), etc.

I would like to join or create the real anti-psychiatry by uniting with all other anti-psych. organizations and forums to attack quacks better.

Yes we can win and we are winning. This is an information war and 'anti psych' is armed with the truth. A person only has to read and understand the truth about psychiatry once and will always understand what a scam it all is and the number of people who know the truth does nothing but grow.

Maybe instead of calling this the "anti psychiatry movement" we could call this the psychiatric truth movement.

Copy_Cat wrote:Maybe instead of calling this the "anti psychiatry movement" we could call this the psychiatric truth movement.

agreed

Copy_Cat wrote:Yes we can win and we are winning.

Unfortunately, I do not think at all that we are winning. Normal person on the street knows about psychiatry and mental illness, but does not know anything about the psychiatric truth.

Copy_Cat wrote:This is an information war and 'anti psych' is armed with the truth. A person only has to read and understand the truth about psychiatry once and will always understand what a scam it all is

I agree with this, even though I must say "anti-psych is armed with the truth" is very debatable because each individual member has a different level of knowledge, and very limited facts, so it is mostly individual truth, and everybody has his own truth, but not a unified truth that would be written somewhere (codified) and taught to new members.

Copy_Cat wrote:and the number of people who know the truth does nothing but grow.

agreed. And the number of people who don't know the truth also does nothing but grow. Guess which one grows faster? The fairy-tales of behavior being caused by some hidden, non-detectable illness. [even when we know our behavior was due to some life difficulty, or because of social isolation]

Excellent points, I agree but also say otherwise. Perhaps that does happen when only a few people speak up, but if large numbers of people speak up, psychitrists can only do so much. Even if some people always side with false psychiatry, having a group to turn to is incredibally important, not to mention powerful. I know in my case had it not been for this forum I would not be able to heal or progress to where I am today.

The number of people who are anti psych, psych reform, and overall part of the truth movemnt which is to question everything is growing each day. Forums like this and alternative media are growing, which encourage people to ask questions and do their own research.

The general public still is not aware of the pschiatry truth movment, but also do not know that much about mainstream psychiatry. If people are exposed to all facts, truth tends to prevail.

I agree we still have a long way to go, but imo forums like this are a gold mine of free speech, where opinions, facts, observations, personal experinces, ect can be shared without oppression.

The information online now would have saved me from alot of hell , I believed all those low serotonin and brain chemical lies 15 years ago when my psychiatric nightmare began. I was told insomnia is a symptom of depression and depression is caused by low serotonin, here take these pills...

Look at this google search for depression serotonin deficiency http://www.google.com/search?q=depression+serotonin+deficiency

This result bottom of the first page results,

The "chemical imbalance" myth - Chris Kresser
http://chriskresser.com/the-chemical-imbalance-myth

That would have been nice to read 15 years ago.

I also went and read 10 year old posts on this and other forums and the way people talk about brains and "meds" has changed, I see much much less medical model bull talked about as 'fact'.

I would love to see psychiatry put on trial for its crimes against humanity, but this is the way psychiatry ends: Not with a bang but a whimper.

Anyone going to the ECT protests ?

quackery wrote:I would like to join or create the real anti-psychiatry by uniting

Locations, times, and contact people information,

ECT Justice | Electroshock Protest | May 16th 2015 | USA
www.ectjustice.com/protest.php

As Mark Twain said, "the truth is mighty and will always prevail. There's nothing wrong with this, except that it ain't so."

People are only as receptive to the truth as the truth is as receptive to their interests. Rarely is the pursuit of truth in the interests of the average man, so he learns to cut short any thought that might lead him to it. Practically all his thoughts lead back to error, like some fool lost in a forest whose every path leads back to the same spot. Falsehood is like a celebrity upon which all eyes converge; truth is like an inebriated tramp, sitting in the corner, stinking of urine, in relation to whom people are either indifferent or just plain hostile. Human beings are such delusional creatures because the truth is just found to be too often incompatible with life, and unfit for human consumption. Whatever the paltry benefits belief in it might have for a few people, are usually overborne by the disadvantages.

People usually believe in something in proportion as they shouldn't, that is assuming we should pursue the truth, which usually isn't the case, insofar as not killing ourselves is the end of existence.

For every accepted truth there is some truthteller's grave, tucked away next to the toilet in the corner of some graveyard, covered in thickets, that nobody visits.

Man's love of falsehood is like a bottomless pit; his love of truth is strictly circumscribed within, and extends no further than, the narrow sphere of his own interests.

The value a man puts on an ideal is commensurate with the degree to which the love thereof furthers his own interests, as a general rule.

Liberty only really matters to the man who wishes to be liberated. Justice is only important to the individual being subjected to its opposite. The value of Truth increases and decreases according as either its pursuit is wise or imprudent. The heretic fending off an angry mob invokes tolerance, just as he will invoke its polar opposite if ever he stands to profit from the persecution thereof.

At bottom of the love of all of these is a love of ourselves, give or take the odd exception.... perhaps.

You have some interesting points of view on the truth. Have you tried asking yourself the question what is the truth? In philosophy, the truth can be any true justified belief. Is truth always absolute? No, because some things can be a matter of how you look at it. For example here, you look at the truth from certain points of view. Yes, the truth is indeed sometimes as negative as you write. Do you think that it is always negative? Or that it always has to be either negative or positive, but never neutral or in-between? You can sometimes have an absolute truth, meaning there is just one truth no matter how you look at it. That is called science, or scientific truth. For example, in Math which is a science, 5+5 is always 10. When the truth is relative (still a justified true belief), you can change your point of view and come up with another justified true belief which is different than the other, yet it is also still the truth. As you see, psychiatry is not a science because everything in psychiatry is a matter of how you look at it.

Now, you can keep thinking and write at least one positive thing about the truth next to each negative thing that you already found mentioned in posts above, such as the Mark Twain quotation. Truth can be positive, can make you happy, can make others feel good, and can free you. How would it feel to have your pseudoscientific label removed, your problem explained as behavior caused by [...] and solution suggested as try doing more [...] and [...] to get better. And now you would be again considered normal, equal, healthy, good, etc. And plus you would be happy that someone understands you, your problem, and helps you to overcome it and truly get better [instead of trying to disable you with drugs, and experimenting on you to find out which one does it the best].
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It is nice to have philosophical discussions. Anti-psych is in my opinion more than a psychiatric truth movement. I would say it is also a psychiatric defense and a psychiatric counter-attack. According to wikipedia, we are people who maintain that psychiatric treatments are more damaging than helpful, and we also oppose all those treatments.

But I think we are more. For example, it would be great to group with like-minded people, lookup the addresses of shrinks in our area, and smash their windows! Or at least put stickers on their door that we do not want them here, and that they should go away. We can also put there stuff that promotes our rights and accuses the shrinks of gross abuse, disgusting coercion, brutal brain damages and mistreatments, disgusting lies, etc. We can also hand out leaflets with psych truth movement website address, and do things that all political movements normally do when they want to gain power and be heard.

I see the best way to change things for better as one new project where we will promote and share all means of attacking shrinks.

We can fight them back more actively and sue for all abuses and damages they have done to us, specifically sue for financial compensation. We can also start bothering the psychiatric organizations with things that shrinks have done, i.e. lies they told us incl. the chemical imbalance, and we just need to complain to organizations that regulate doctors, medicine, and care to do something to offending shrinks, so that attacking shrinks will happen at all levels. Not only one.

I also think of complaining and lobbying about what damage shrinks have done to us on some website as articles, one after another, until we dismantle psychiatry completely. Starting carrying attacks is a promising way of what I imagine as a real anti-psych.

Because it is not only about the truth, but also about revenge, justice, compensation for any suffering, harm losses, for the derogatory labeling in absence of evidence of any illness, for the great injustice altogether. And there are organizations such as various human rights watches that we can actively try to unite with, and also organizations that already hate some groups of people (for example anti-nazi) that have some efficient means of saying how and why nazi are bad, and they actively fight them when they see them on the street, etc.

We do not need to be that extreme, but I am saying there is not currently in my knowledge any proper anti-psych project. We only have a forum and articles in projects with very bad names (like "madinamerica" which is very bad because it says you are mad). There should be something that really is a means of uniting against shrinks and attacking hard, where it hurt, altogether. We need to start sharing techniques of attacks against shrinks, find out what works, when we can use it, how to win lawsuits for big financial compensation against our shrink and the pharma, how to win in the court for human rights, how to get paid a compensation for being locked up when there was no need to, so that every harmed and disgruntled victim could instantly choose some method and fight.

We can be also discussing the truth as always, and start actively doing something with the situation. Even a stupid thing like attacking shrinks with pervert calls after someone advertises sexual services under their number (described in a different thread) is greatly efficient against shrinks when compared to doing nothing.

For me, "anti-psych" is a psychiatric truth movement + defense of our human rights + counter-attack movement against shrinks. Something like a martial art philosophy against psychiatrists who are trying to disable us, brain-damage us, and even murder us with brain-disabling suicide-causing drugs.

Copy_Cat wrote:I believed all those low serotonin and brain chemical lies 15 years ago when my psychiatric nightmare began. I was told insomnia is a symptom of depression and depression is caused by low serotonin, here take these pills...

Do you have the name of the quack who told you all this horse sh*t? Have you considered writing down the damages he has caused you by telling you this? Have you considered to sue him or the company / hospital / state / US for compensation? There are pro-bono (free) lawyers who can evaluate your case for free and represent you in this, and if successful, you can get a big compensation.