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Postby Exiled. » Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:31 am

I was involved in a drug trial a couple of years ago. While in it my psychiatrist committed research fraud. Specifically what happened was that I told her I was having suicidal ideation and she hid the fact. She said, "Let's keep this between you and I, okay?" I was informed that having suicidal ideation was an automatic out for the program. The only reason she wanted to hide the fact I was having suicidal ideation was to keep me in the program. Why? Was she getting paid by the drug company based on how many people completed the program? I wasn't even have supposed to have been in it since I told her before I was in it that I was having suicidal ideation. She was willing to risk my life over it.

At my level, I have no way of determining the efficacy of these medications. I have to trust the science. But when I'm involved in a trial and I see research fraud, how can I trust it? How?

I have an appointment to get assessed tomorrow with the hospital that she worked at back then. I really don't know how I'll react to her if I see her.

Hell, maybe I'll just skip the appointment and try to move to a local town that has natural lithium in the water supply.
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Re: Need to vent.

Postby Riccola » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:41 am

Exiled. wrote:I was involved in a drug trial a couple of years ago. While in it my psychiatrist committed research fraud. Specifically what happened was that I told her I was having suicidal ideation and she hid the fact. She said, "Let's keep this between you and I, okay?" I was informed that having suicidal ideation was an automatic out for the program. The only reason she wanted to hide the fact I was having suicidal ideation was to keep me in the program. Why? Was she getting paid by the drug company based on how many people completed the program? I wasn't even have supposed to have been in it since I told her before I was in it that I was having suicidal ideation. She was willing to risk my life over it.

At my level, I have no way of determining the efficacy of these medications. I have to trust the science. But when I'm involved in a trial and I see research fraud, how can I trust it? How?

I have an appointment to get assessed tomorrow with the hospital that she worked at back then. I really don't know how I'll react to her if I see her.

Hell, maybe I'll just skip the appointment and try to move to a local town that has natural lithium in the water supply.


I apologize that this happened you. At least in your case you had consent to be a human guinea pig.

I regret to say but you discovered first hand how it really works. Drug companies structure studies in such a way that outcomes are in their favor. In this case if suicidal ideeation is a side effect, its best it does not show up in the study as it would taint the outcome view of the drug.

It makes me irate because this is the exact reason why people say "I am having this side effect, or that drug is known to cause X" only to have a psychiatrist say "well actually to the contrary, many studies how that not to be the case or extremely rare" But drug studies show that ONLY because statistics, as well as the outcome can be manipulated in either direction based on what the creator wants. We assume the symphony is pure only failing to realize a central conductor is pulling its strings.

Clearly your psychiatrist acted against your favor, exercising poor conduct against a human being. But unfortunately that seems to be a requirement in cases like this. An ethically inclined person could not generate the results a drug company funded study wants to see.

Is there any way to see if she still works there? If you can, say by telephone, you could find out without seeing her in person.

In any case I hope all goes well.
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