Proof psychology is #######4

They let a normal person in to an organisation where its required you need to be crazy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/us/ci ... wanted=all

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -fare.html

The NSA conducts extensive psychological testing to screen out potential employees whose psychological profile may make them unsuitable for work affecting national security. The NSA recommends candidates for employment to be as open and honest as they can be during this process because any lack of openness can slow the process down. Applicants should expect to take a written psychological examination followed by an in-person interview with an NSA psychologist. The examination and the interview are designed to make it difficult for the applicant to assess what the test is screening for, so don't try to second-guess the test.

I'm a little confused here. What organization are we talking about? The CIA?

CIA and NSA.

I see. What makes you think that you have to be crazy to be in those? :3

Because you need to deal with sensitive work and not give a ###$ and just do your job.
I think you need to be a bit on the schizoid spectrum or something. Snowden obviously wasnt the psych profile they were hoping for despite the rigorous testing.

Both psychiatry and psychology are imperfect sciences unfortunately. Error is a given

But, in your opinion, why did Snowden leak? I only ask because I think this could make a good discussion.

From a psychological point of view I believe and this is only my opinion, is that he is on the borderline spectrum when they thought he was on the ASPD or Schizoid spectrum. Thats not to say he meets the criteria for a PD but what he did was childishly irresponsible.

SUPPOSEDLY the turning point that triggered his conscience was when CIA spies encouraged a Swiss banker to get drunk in Geneva and then reassured him to drive home, the story continues that he was caught by police and the CIA negotiated with him somehow to turn on their side.

Now I asked all my friends what their point of view on this was and they all said its the Swiss bankers fault, the consensus is that if you do something under manipulation its YOUR fault, this was proven in the court trials after WW2 and is the precedent legally, and it seems humanely also based on what my normal friends had to say.

You can mentally masturbate over it all you want about him swearing an oath and a law this and a law that and international law etc etc but psychologically he was unfit for the position.
I think it was mentioned he also had paranoid elements to his personality.
The bottom line is he misread a situation and become emotionally involved, he projected his own lack of responsibility on to the banker.
So I lied when I said he was normal, I guess a normal person would be too scared to do something like he did.

So moral of the story, psychology as it is now cant differentiate between NPD and BPD which reflects my own experience with it.
All they can know for certain is what cluster you are in, it takes a long time or a significant problem to pinpoint the particular personality type.


BPD is the most researched psychiatric disorder, not only can they not differentiate it from NPD but they even get it confused with Bipolar. They cant scan for it or even find a gene test for it.

And regarding personality disorders in general, they arnt even sure how to approach it, me personally I think someone cant improve unless they are aware they have a problem and its inherent in personality disorders that the person does not know they have a problem, naturally they justify their behaviour, and for psychology to approach it as passing it off I think it only serves to worsen it.
The common practice is to treat the symptoms so social anxiety, cognitive deficits not the underlying personality disorder.
There are books for few of the PDs but not all, there is a misconception PDs are set and not worth treating where as I think they can be improved or at least facilitated.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... -disorders

Good input, thanks!