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Another scientist claims psychology isn't a science lol

Postby twistednerve » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:45 pm

posting an article where a person witha phD in microbiology claims why he thinks psychology isn't a real science, and how it isn't merely snobbery or done out of ignorance on how psychology works.

Why psychology isn't science
July 13, 2012|By Alex B. Berezow


Psychologist Timothy D. Wilson, a professor at the University of Virginia, expressed resentment in his Times Op-Ed article on Thursday over the fact that most scientists don't consider his field a real science. He casts scientists as condescending bullies:

"Once, during a meeting at my university, a biologist mentioned that he was the only faculty member present from a science department. When I corrected him, noting that I was from the Department of Psychology, he waved his hand dismissively, as if I were a Little Leaguer telling a member of the New York Yankees that I too played baseball.

"There has long been snobbery in the sciences, with the 'hard' ones (physics, chemistry, biology) considering themselves to be more legitimate than the 'soft' ones (psychology, sociology)."

The dismissive attitude scientists have toward psychologists isn't rooted in snobbery; it's rooted in intellectual frustration. It's rooted in the failure of psychologists to acknowledge that they don't have the same claim on secular truth that the hard sciences do. It's rooted in the tired exasperation that scientists feel when non-scientists try to pretend they are scientists.


That's right. Psychology isn't science.

Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.

Happiness research is a great example of why psychology isn't science. How exactly should "happiness" be defined? The meaning of that word differs from person to person and especially between cultures. What makes Americans happy doesn't necessarily make Chinese people happy. How does one measure happiness? Psychologists can't use a ruler or a microscope, so they invent an arbitrary scale. Today, personally, I'm feeling about a 3.7 out of 5. How about you?

The failure to meet the first two requirements of scientific rigor (clear terminology and quantifiability) makes it almost impossible for happiness research to meet the other three. How can an experiment be consistently reproducible or provide any useful predictions if the basic terms are vague and unquantifiable? And when exactly has there ever been a reliable prediction made about human behavior? Making useful predictions is a vital part of the scientific process, but psychology has a dismal record in this regard. Just ask a foreign policy or intelligence analyst.

To be fair, not all psychology research is equally wishy-washy. Some research is far more scientifically rigorous. And the field often yields interesting and important insights.

But to claim it is "science" is inaccurate. Actually, it's worse than that. It's an attempt to redefine science. Science, redefined, is no longer the empirical analysis of the natural world; instead, it is any topic that sprinkles a few numbers around. This is dangerous because, under such a loose definition, anything can qualify as science. And when anything qualifies as science, science can no longer claim to have a unique grasp on secular truth.

That's why scientists dismiss psychologists. They're rightfully defending their intellectual turf.

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Re: Another scientist claims psychology isn't a science lol

Postby Riccola » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:43 pm

I think he says it well. The Psychiatry and psychology is entirely based on theory, or rather speculation that can not be proven. I think this is where both start to fall apart. It is a scary thought that something so major in our society is entirely a relative notion.
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Re: Another scientist claims psychology isn't a science lol

Postby SBBro » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:24 am

The problem I have seen with both are:

Psychology can make you worse, I think there is something twisted in one person analysing another then trying to manipulate them through omission of information. Its clandestine and assumptuous.

Psychiatry is not preventative its more palliative treatment or not for the patient but those around them, but this is only to a degree. On the other hand though I have seen lots of schizophrenics walk in to a ward all loopy and walk out pretty good.

Thats not to say I am judging them as bad, its just the way the system works unless you want a NWO style scenario where you just be a good citizen and line up for your prozac. Either way its going to be criticized.

In all fairness I was given advice to exercise and eat more healthy. Just keep in mind guys THE SYSTEM IS ON YOUR SIDE. Its just got a long way to go.

We have like 1 psych to 10,000 crazy people, thats the numbers.
2012 "just anxiety"
2013 inpatient 'suicidality, MDD etc
2014 "youve been diagnosed with everything under the sun"
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