are psychiatrists insane?

Gorodov wrote:Dear interlocutors how you relate to the content of this petition: http://goo.gl/sMnJ6y prokomentirujte, please speak out.

A petition? Why I'd love to sign it. And I will. Question is though what if things turn ugly and Suffragette like movement forms. As in using violent means to get their views across. Like setting fire to post offices. During the day. On Wednesday morning. With people inside. Or bombing a church. During the day. On a Sunday morning. With people inside.

LeOkAsPEr wrote:
A petition? Why I'd love to sign it. And I will. Question is though what if things turn ugly and Suffragette like movement forms. As in using violent means to get their views across. Like setting fire to post offices. During the day. On Wednesday morning. With people inside. Or bombing a church. During the day. On a Sunday morning. With people inside.

Yet what is your opinion? Petition correct? It should be supported?

I'm fully in favour friendo. Viva la Petition!

There is a similar work aiming to get human rights into psychiatry. See http://www.cchrint.org/about-us/declaration-of-human-rights/.

The petition has many grammatical and other mistakes, part of it sounds crazy (like some ranting), and its formulations do not give much sense. It is however demanding human rights and that is a good thing. I agree that psychiatric coercion is a human rights abuse, and that psychiatry must be more regulated to give patients human rights, such as all treatment must be voluntary, etc.

Please read the work of CCHR and support it. We can donate to CCHR and spread the word. I think they are strong and with our support they can achieve changes.

quackery wrote:There is a similar work aiming to get human rights into psychiatry. See http://www.cchrint.org/about-us/declaration-of-human-rights/.

The petition has many grammatical and other mistakes, part of it sounds crazy (like some ranting), and its formulations do not give much sense. It is however demanding human rights and that is a good thing. I agree that psychiatric coercion is a human rights abuse, and that psychiatry must be more regulated to give patients human rights, such as all treatment must be voluntary, etc.

Please read the work of CCHR and support it. We can donate to CCHR and spread the word. I think they are strong and with our support they can achieve changes.

I familiar with many members of CCHR. And in general support the position CCHR. But let me ask you a question. - Who should protect the rights of people who have come under the definition of mental health? Themselves psychiatrists? In my opinion, this should be doers of the law .

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LeOkAsPEr wrote:I'm fully in favour friendo. Viva la Petition!

Thank U

Gorodov wrote:Who should protect the rights of people who have come under the definition of mental health? Themselves psychiatrists? In my opinion, this should be doers of the law .

Psychiatrists, victims of psychiatry, lawmakers, everybody should protect human rights.

I am guessing that most homicides and suicides stem from psychiatric coercion, violence-causing SSRI drugs and suicidal anti-depressant drugs. What would happen if psychiatry lost its reputation, credibility, and power?

Psychiatry can lose by getting thoroughly exposed [i.e. kids in school would learn the facts about psychiatry, its history, its presence, how all behaviors are becoming invented methapohircal non-medical illnesses, how hospitals are misused to deceive people about medical attributes of psychiatry, and how brain-disabling drugs are falsely marketed under names like anti-X when they do not cure or treat X at all. IMO everybody should be taught about this Instead of learning the BS marketing of psychiatry].

The Psychyassaulters are not healing the mind, they are raping it with drugs that disable the brain, and they are doing it against the person's will, for a nondiagnosable non-medical "illness" which has been invented by relabeling normal behavior. So for ONE behavior we get psychoraped and insulted by getting called ill for life-time.

The psychyassaulters are the mentally ill http://www.psychsearch.net/category/bizarre-psych-news/

quackery wrote:


Psychiatrists, victims of psychiatry, lawmakers, everybody should protect human rights.

I am guessing that most homicides and suicides stem from psychiatric coercion, violence-causing SSRI drugs and suicidal anti-depressant drugs. What would happen if psychiatry lost its reputation, credibility, and power?...

I do not excist asked this question. The fact that psychiatry and judges, prosecutors fundamentally different positions. Judges, prosecutors act according to legal criteria. According to these criteria all (without exception) people have equal rights and are equally protected by law. According to the criteria of psychiatric human fell under the definition of psychiatric deprived of all rights. He declared insane patient who are not able to determine, what is important for him, what necessary what is better, worse ... And on this basis, he loses all enshrined rights. The law does not protect it more. All for him decide "professionals". They are his guardians, protectors of rights, rulers fate. In fact psychiatric definition deprives a person of human status. So that if psychiatrists leave right protect the wards, from the rights their no trace remains. Therefore, in my opinion is required deprive psychiatrists any possibility compel human. It is not their destination and no their prerogativa.

All excellent


I agree with you, psychiatrists are the opposite of the legal system in that psychiatry discards all human rights. Psychiatrists should not only be denied the ability to compel because human rights are jeopardized, but also from that very system is abused. Psychiatrists try to compel as many people as possible regardless of being a danger or not. In fact what is more likely to get you committed vs not is your insurance or ability to bring money in. Care sometimes continues until the money runs out.

Psychiatry need a miranda rights system, one where a person is granted rights to use. The legal system has this to prevent abuse and is doing well considering the people the legal system processes, so the question that's begged why doesn't psychiatry have the same??

Riccola wrote:All excellent
I agree with you, psychiatrists are the opposite of the legal system in that psychiatry discards all human rights. Psychiatrists should not only be denied the ability to compel because human rights are jeopardized, but also from that very system is abused...

You are confusing a fundamentally different categories. - What is profitable, convenient judges, officials, psychiatrists ... And that is justified, acceptable from the standpoint of law and the recognized moral values. Defend who either from threats there is responsibility prosecutors and judges! Not psychiatrists! This judge should be obliged to establish who, with respect to what constitutes a threat. It is they who must establish the real cause of the conflict and make a just decision. And to do so they must acting entirely within the law and the right! It is their duty! If they Devolve this duty psychiatrists, they are criminals themselves!
Psychiatrists then why suddenly have to resolve conflicts between people! They do not gendarmes. They're positioning themselves doctors! The physician must act solely for the benefit of the patient! Is it for the doctor who acts against the patient ?! Which is not going to help the patient, but someone else from him to protect?!

Just of out interest are any of you socialists?