are psychiatrists insane?

You make a good point. Psychiatry is like any other business, if not worse

A business that says it'll help your mental health but then ends up charging you (by pill) for anti-depressants you didn't want and don't need. And that's even if you can get past the waiting lists.

Getting back to the original question, I have my doubts about focusing on the individual level of analysis. There are social and institutional factors we must consider at the same time.

Sometimes the insanity, if that’s what you want to call it, is built into the institution. Slave owners were not necessarily bad people. CEOs of the mining companies are not necessarily bad people. Psychiatrists are not necessarily bad people. (There are exceptions in all groups of course.) And yet, all of them are doing a lot of harm through their institutional role. Many times these individuals are not aware, or are just dimly aware, of the structural injustice they are involved in. Some of the blame goes to the institutions of education, though there is no one reason why the current institutional structure prevails. There are many factors affecting the inertia of the social systems, many factors that hinder the social change. Some of these factors are individual, some of them are social, some of them are cultural.

Sometimes the insanity, if that’s what you want to call it, is built into the institution. Slave owners were not necessarily bad people. CEOs of the mining companies are not necessarily bad people. Psychiatrists are not necessarily bad people. (There are exceptions in all groups of course.) And yet, all of them are doing a lot of harm through their institutional role. Many times these individuals are not aware, or are just dimly aware, of the structural injustice they are involved in. Some of the blame goes to the institutions of education, though there is no one reason why the current institutional structure prevails. There are many factors affecting the inertia of the social systems, many factors that hinder the social change. Some of these factors are individual, some of them are social, some of them are cultural.

I think this is a really good post

I agree. Some who are part of these institutions have no evil intent, many believe they are genuinely doing good but the system its self is at fault.

Psychiatrists? Not so much. They are medically trained and know their field. If you believe in medicating mental and personality disorders, then psychiatry is a wonderful thing.

Now, therapists/counselors/psychologists? That's a whole other kettle of fish... That's where you will most likely find the insane people... the blind leading the blind....

There is one particular factor. - Psychiatry empowers to administer violence regardless of the law. Psychiatry has authority commit violence regardless of the law. Neither leaders, employers, accounts department, ministers, teachers ... have no authority over anyone or commit violence. Only one category is entitled to perform violence - law enforcement authorities. Here It Is, for the protection of citizens' rights and they are endowed with special powers to commit violence against violators of human rights. But another category, psychiatrists also have an opportunity to commit violence. Only they do not have to protect anyone's rights. On what basis they are endowed with such powers?

-- Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:55 pm --

Read gentlemen. Here tell about the role psihitrii in people's lives and society: http://www.iaapa.ch./

Psychiatry in Russia Posts victims: I was being treated with klopsikol, haloperidol, if somebody knows what they are, but they complicated the situation else more,
people twice were pulling me from loops.
About klopsicol, haloperidol.
In general, I would not advise these medicines even to
an enemy - in any case, following the example of the effect on me! In my case
it was any strange incident! Instead of providing a therapeutic effect,
haloperidol placed me in a hinge and evacuated me from the external world for a
month, in parallel causing any horrifying
influence on my psyche, at first day I was walking, as if I had smoked
marihuana, pardon for my slang, I terribly was wanting to sleep! At next days
something terrible began, I could not sit on a one place, was literally rolling
on the flat (after the injection they discharged me to the home mode), it
seemed to me, that either the ceiling will fall on me or tomorrow a nuclear war
will begin. It was very, very strong fear in front of everything! During a
month I did not go even in the staircase and, moreover, never even turned on
the television, but was lying on a bed either in a seizure or chained by the fear, that something will
start now… in short in a some moment I had come in Internet in order that to
find a site about methods of suicide and when I did, you can not even imagine, but I felt better at the
thought, that tomorrow all will end for me and I even was smiling for those
days. Generally it is even impossible to imagine and describe, how it was
happening!
But when I at last went on a street, I
started having epilepticus
seizures, contusion,
my legs were completely paralyzed, and for example I could go five kilometers
from home and get stuck there for five hours, owing that I could not move my
leg, and I was standing in
the middle of the street, fearfully looking at pedestrians, moreover, in this time my neck was being fixed in one
position, stretched up as in patients with paralysis, and I was not able to
move it a single inch to the right or left, so I was limping slowly a meter per
hour! These two drugs were similar in the horrors, moreover, klopsikol in
addition gave me to gain weight from 76 kg to 96 kg for 1.5 months, but now my
weight is 84 kg and I am thin!

-- Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:58 pm --

Psychiatry in Russia
Posts victims: Speech about normal attitude to not guilty people. I was shocked when I got there. Orderlies - dregs scoffed severely. Forced drink urine of the total buckets. Extinguish butts in body. Forced
patient sucking dick in a paralyzed and chained to the bed. Me personally 2 times pricked galoperedol without good reason. On request - give tsiklodol- just smiled and gloated. Chlorpromazine threatened to do. Galoperedol - this is a very terrible thing. For me It was not clear as even possible ?! Very eerie place.

-- Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:59 pm --

Psychiatry in Russia Posts victims: .. And now imagine. You go into an institution to visit someone. Suppose you were allowed to go on an exceptional basis. A crowd of boys, six to ten years, surrounding you on all sides. Everyone wants your attention, everyone wants to speak - adult came. And one happily reports: "And here we give a pill." What?
- Chlorpromazine, phenazepam, haloperidol, and this ... sonapaks parkopan.
(Names clatter as rhyme)
- Why give?
- When we behave badly.
- It's like you're driving yourself bad?
- Well, fight, smoke, swear obscenities, educators rude someone ...

Boy about seven years. If it round the clock to keep under lock and key - he will try to get out at any cost.
Will he answer back, be rude, fight not as we would like an adult? Just need to put yourself in his place.
And everything becomes clear to ugliness. The actual scene in quite a decent psychiatric hospital for children. I mean that when it comes to the orphaned children, they are likely out of this circle is not freed. The gas chambers were merciful. The Nazis killed at least once, not tortured ...

Riccola wrote:

Sometimes the insanity, if that’s what you want to call it, is built into the institution. Slave owners were not necessarily bad people. CEOs of the mining companies are not necessarily bad people. Psychiatrists are not necessarily bad people. (There are exceptions in all groups of course.) And yet, all of them are doing a lot of harm through their institutional role. Many times these individuals are not aware, or are just dimly aware, of the structural injustice they are involved in. Some of the blame goes to the institutions of education, though there is no one reason why the current institutional structure prevails. There are many factors affecting the inertia of the social systems, many factors that hinder the social change. Some of these factors are individual, some of them are social, some of them are cultural.

I think this is a really good post

I agree. Some who are part of these institutions have no evil intent, many believe they are genuinely doing good but the system its self is at fault.

Thanks. I think we should also recognize the fact that the institutional structure is often such that those who go against the stream and challenge the prevalent dogmas are easily replaced. This kind of quiet marginalization of dissidents goes on in institutions every day.

So when an individual psychiatrist becomes doubtful about the legitimacy of his practice, he faces some challenges. I surely do not want to exempt anybody from personal responsibility, though.

Thanks. I think we should also recognize the fact that the institutional structure is often such that those who go against the stream and challenge the prevalent dogmas are easily replaced. This kind of quiet marginalization of dissidents goes on in institutions every day.

So when an individual psychiatrist becomes doubtful about the legitimacy of his practice, he faces some challenges. I surely do not want to exempt anybody from personal responsibility, though.

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That is so true, I know exactly what you are talking about. The system is like cart driven by 1,000 horses. If one slows down to ask where are all of them are going the rest just run him or her over. Institutions are primarily rule driven (cookie cutter approach), so if anyone is not on par with the rules that gets noticed. In essence the good, smart well meaning professionals are pushed out while mediocre ones fill their place.


I think we need to see many things change, including the institutional system.

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