are psychiatrists insane?

are psychiatrits facists? I know it's a harsh word. maybe it is not true. i do not want to believe it is true. i don't really want to say this. BUT. they don't even believe their lies. they expect a tall bosom-y blonde woman all the time. they expect the stereotype. it's based on european theories...that were around the time facism rose. that's what's it's really like...what do you think? they do not treat mental illness anymore. they do not even know what it is. they wont even help anyone.

babybowrain wrote:are psychiatrits facists? I know it's a harsh word. maybe it is not true. i do not want to believe it is true. i don't really want to say this. BUT. they don't even believe their lies. they expect a tall bosom-y blonde woman all the time. they expect the stereotype. it's based on european theories...that were around the time facism rose. that's what's it's really like...what do you think? they do not treat mental illness anymore. they do not even know what it is. they wont even help anyone.

IMO, I would not say all of them are bad, however when it comes to some Id definitely ask that question.

I fully agree with stereotypes, and there view of patients is entirely based on there own reality. Some go by what they think "sane" ought to look like while other just look for any behavior they can label as a disorder. Metal illness in psychiatry is a relative term. It is what ever the psych says based on personal observations. Nothing more than that.

Psychiatrists are heavily (if not profoundly) influenced by their education. That education can teach them to believe or view anything any way in mental illness. I firmly believe that most of the mainstream psychiatric education is flawed, biased and incomplete.

I see many people not helped by psychiatry, even injured by it. I know speaking from personal experience it did not help and wronged me in very deep ways until I could find the right therapist.

I firmly believe psychiatry has a long way to go in understanding people and the disorders themselves. I think a good start is keeping an open mind and listening to each patient.

My 2 cents

The only way to really understand insanity is to live it once or twice.

Riccola wrote:

babybowrain wrote:are psychiatrits facists? I know it's a harsh word. maybe it is not true. i do not want to believe it is true. i don't really want to say this. BUT. they don't even believe their lies. they expect a tall bosom-y blonde woman all the time. they expect the stereotype. it's based on european theories...that were around the time facism rose. that's what's it's really like...what do you think? they do not treat mental illness anymore. they do not even know what it is. they wont even help anyone.

IMO, I would not say all of them are bad, however when it comes to some Id definitely ask that question.

I fully agree with stereotypes, and there view of patients is entirely based on there own reality. Some go by what they think "sane" ought to look like while other just look for any behavior they can label as a disorder. Metal illness in psychiatry is a relative term. It is what ever the psych says based on personal observations. Nothing more than that.

Psychiatrists are heavily (if not profoundly) influenced by their education. That education can teach them to believe or view anything any way in mental illness. I firmly believe that most of the mainstream psychiatric education is flawed, biased and incomplete.

I see many people not helped by psychiatry, even injured by it. I know speaking from personal experience it did not help and wronged me in very deep ways until I could find the right therapist.

I firmly believe psychiatry has a long way to go in understanding people and the disorders themselves. I think a good start is keeping an open mind and listening to each patient.

My 2 cents

People always blame their education. This is just another variation on man's ongoing war on personal responsibility. Psychiatrists are not children. True, when they go to university, it can't be said that they've arrived at the full maturity of their faculties, but they are well developed enough at this stage for them to be able to exercise the relevant ones when encountering information.

Such talk implicitly postulates that the psychiatrist is a mere passive recipient of information. Maybe at that stage, with one eye on their careers, they have chosen not to engage critically with what they are taught, or maybe their minds yielded under the superior weight of intelligence of that of their educators, but that does not excuse them for their refusal throughout their careers, once their faculties have reached their full maturity, to think critically about what they have been taught and engage with the critical literature.

Whilst our beliefs are often inherited, taking up residence in our heads without any conscious intent on our part, rarely does a belief subsist independently of will and motivation, especially when self-interest and desire so dictate it.

People always blame their education. This is just another variation on man's ongoing war on personal responsibility. Psychiatrists are not children. True, when they go to university, it can't be said that they've arrived at the full maturity of their faculties, but they are well developed enough at this stage for them to be able to exercise the relevant ones when encountering information.

I agree personal responsibility is the ultimate factor. But a lot of down falls also come from education. I have studied mainstream psychiatry intensively and even witnessed post graduates being trained in clinical settings. All I have to say is everything is bogus. All psychiatrist are taught is enough to get their patients hurt. The half truths contained in psychiatric literature followed by pure speculation sold as reasonable conclusions is both reckless and irresponsible.

From what I have seen even the most mature are lead astray by their education because the education itself is based on immature axioms and false theories.

By no means should that excuse anyone of wrong doing, but it is definitely adding fuel to the problem if not creating it completely in some cases.

Such talk implicitly postulates that the psychiatrist is a mere passive recipient of information. Maybe at that stage, with one eye on their careers, they have chosen not to engage critically with what they are taught, or maybe their minds yielded under the superior weight of intelligence of that of their educators, but that does not excuse them for their refusal throughout their careers, once their faculties have reached their full maturity, to think critically about what they have been taught and engage with the critical literature.

IMO some psychiatrist are just slaves or followers to information. If you assume X you then go ahead with Y. I am not disagreeing with you though, in fact you have a very well articulated point. Some are taught well, but chose not to apply it. In other cases psychiatric education is incredibly biased, even scrubbed of important information.

Whilst our beliefs are often inherited, taking up residence in our heads without any conscious intent on our part, rarely does a belief subsist independently of will and motivation, especially when self-interest and desire so dictate it.

I agree. In fact to say that I don't do that is a lie. I am doing it as I type. Our own personal beliefs and experiences as varied and broad as they might be guide us both consciously and unconsciously. In therapy however this can be harmful in that the very person we are treating is often very different then ourselves.

And I agree again, it is so true. Belief motivation and will sit together like a marriage, pushed, validated and approved by self interest.

My usual 2 cents on the subject, so take lightly.

I think psychiatry is doing a good job in understanding disorders with the tools and research methods available.

What they seriously need to learn is how to respect to people, how really much they can do and understand the very medications they prescribe. Honestly, you can find better information of medication X or Y from users than most psychiatrists. It's like they just study waht suits them.
Information IS out there, psychiatrists just refuse to learn what hurts their business.

I think psychiatry requires too much of a humane mindset, and a lot of intellectual work, to be as streamlined as it is. there lies the problem... Humanity can't produce that many students who are both bright and of strong character enough. Remember they're not out there to save lives, they're out there to make money. Saving lives is maybe number 3 on the list.

And I'm excluding the bad apples from this example... lol.
I really think psychiatry is the field that failed MDs take to avoid losing their licence, since it's to easy to screw up and get away with it, in psychiatry. Not to mention how fast/easy is to set up an office and make money passing on meds. Or getting jobs at psych hospitals is infinetely easy. It's the easy $ route for MDs.


But yes, a lot of psychiatrists and specially psychologists (psychologists are usually troubled, failed humans) are insane. Literally. Specially cluster B PDs. Most psychologists I've met were NPD/HPD/BPD with strong sociopathic tendencies. They take advantage of people's emotions and vulnerabilities.

I see it the same way Twistednerve!

Said better than I ever could have

Mainstream psychiatry from the ground up is a business. Schools teaching psychiatry are not looking for critical thinking skills, they look for critical following skills. This attracts a variety of "shady" personalities. Once the learn how to view symptoms, prescribe, and the unwritten languages of practice you have lift off. Workers who rake in money for themselves, institutions as well pharmaceutical companies.


None if the treatments at hand are aimed at full recovery. Lifetime of "disease management" will mean a life time of profit. And one can not dispute that because all reputable mainstream literature sold as unshakable is influenced by that same business.


I believe that humanity can produce much better students if the content taught as well as the system was overhauled. Intense intellectual advancements around therapy, respect, listening ect would push out the bad apples putting in those suited for making a real good psychiatrist or therapist.

But, with all that said I still hold onto a conclusion I reached a long time ago: Psychiatry is 2000 years behind the rest of medicine. It has much catching up to do.

Riccola wrote:I see it the same way Twistednerve!

Said better than I ever could have

Mainstream psychiatry from the ground up is a business. Schools teaching psychiatry are not looking for critical thinking skills, they look for critical following skills. This attracts a variety of "shady" personalities. Once the learn how to view symptoms, prescribe, and the unwritten languages of practice you have lift off. Workers who rake in money for themselves, institutions as well pharmaceutical companies.


None if the treatments at hand are aimed at full recovery. Lifetime of "disease management" will mean a life time of profit. And one can not dispute that because all reputable mainstream literature sold as unshakable is influenced by that same business.


I believe that humanity can produce much better students if the content taught as well as the system was overhauled. Intense intellectual advancements around therapy, respect, listening ect would push out the bad apples putting in those suited for making a real good psychiatrist or therapist.

But, with all that said I still hold onto a conclusion I reached a long time ago: Psychiatry is 2000 years behind the rest of medicine. It has much catching up to do.

I'm a huge victim of psychiatry. It both saddens and makes me happy to see others in similar situations. I find it astounding that the overall population ignores how psychiatry can be/is intruding in their lives, and how psychologists are molding society like a religion pretending to be science.

I think i'm gonna start posting more here my criticisms on psychology and psychiatry, but honestly I think it's pointless. It's a huge money making machine that, in the case of psychology: some enjoy, and in the case of psychiatry: obviously it helps mentally ill people.

My posts would gravitate towards opinionating about what is good, efficient psychiatry and how psychology is mainly quite frankly religion without mythology (well, if you want to put their "diagnosis", names to behaviors, personality molds, and studies to the test - they'll be considered mythology). Is that ok to do, Riccola?

twistednerve wrote:
I'm a huge victim of psychiatry. It both saddens and makes me happy to see others in similar situations. I find it astounding that the overall population ignores how psychiatry can be/is intruding in their lives, and how psychologists are molding society like a religion pretending to be science.

I think i'm gonna start posting more here my criticisms on psychology and psychiatry, but honestly I think it's pointless. It's a huge money making machine that, in the case of psychology: some enjoy, and in the case of psychiatry: obviously it helps mentally ill people.

My posts would gravitate towards opinionating about what is good, efficient psychiatry and how psychology is mainly quite frankly religion without mythology (well, if you want to put their "diagnosis", names to behaviors, personality molds, and studies to the test - they'll be considered mythology). Is that ok to do, Riccola?

I feel the same way. I was a huge victim of psychiatry, but even more so the people I witnessed being treated like furniture. These people could not speak up, and had no way to defend themselves.

The general population is just unaware. Psychiatry stigmatizes the sufferer and leading other to discredit them or see them is insane. Further, few outside of patients know what goes on behind closed doors and in therapy.

Sadly, that is not stopping them. I see psychiatry spreading to the general population selling psychotropics while kids are being pushed into therapy which just leads with medicating them while parent are made to feel like there child is diseased or defective. Some even go as far as blaming the parents.

How is it that 60 years ago childhood ADHD was nearly none existent and so many people became successful, while today every child seems to have some sort of diagnosis. Genetics don't change in 60 years, psychiatry's agenda did.

I do not believe its pointless, staying silent is pointless. Being honest I stayed silent for some time only to realize there was no point. It was not healthy for me to keep it bottled up and I wasn't doing others with the same experiences any favors. Every story has value, and every story can save many lives. I like what you have to say about anti-psychiatry, its true, all of it.

Riccola wrote:

twistednerve wrote:
I'm a huge victim of psychiatry. It both saddens and makes me happy to see others in similar situations. I find it astounding that the overall population ignores how psychiatry can be/is intruding in their lives, and how psychologists are molding society like a religion pretending to be science.

I think i'm gonna start posting more here my criticisms on psychology and psychiatry, but honestly I think it's pointless. It's a huge money making machine that, in the case of psychology: some enjoy, and in the case of psychiatry: obviously it helps mentally ill people.

My posts would gravitate towards opinionating about what is good, efficient psychiatry and how psychology is mainly quite frankly religion without mythology (well, if you want to put their "diagnosis", names to behaviors, personality molds, and studies to the test - they'll be considered mythology). Is that ok to do, Riccola?

I feel the same way. I was a huge victim of psychiatry, but even more so the people I witnessed being treated like furniture. These people could not speak up, and had no way to defend themselves.

The general population is just unaware. Psychiatry stigmatizes the sufferer and leading other to discredit them or see them is insane. Further, few outside of patients know what goes on behind closed doors and in therapy.

Sadly, that is not stopping them. I see psychiatry spreading to the general population selling psychotropics while kids are being pushed into therapy which just leads with medicating them while parent are made to feel like there child is diseased or defective. Some even go as far as blaming the parents.

How is it that 60 years ago childhood ADHD was nearly none existent and so many people became successful, while today every child seems to have some sort of diagnosis. Genetics don't change in 60 years, psychiatry's agenda did.

I do not believe its pointless, staying silent is pointless. Being honest I stayed silent for some time only to realize there was no point. It was not healthy for me to keep it bottled up and I wasn't doing others with the same experiences any favors. Every story has value, and every story can save many lives. I like what you have to say about anti-psychiatry, its true, all of it.

You are a wise and blessed man!