are psychiatrists insane?

Gorodov wrote:How can anyone limit inborn basic human rights and not violate Article 1 of the Declaration?
How can loss of liberty, loss of free will, and destruction of personality not take away all rights and freedoms? That violates Article 2 of the Declaration.
How can you make such a coercion and not take away the right to liberty and security? That violates Articles 3 and 4 of the Declaration.
How can a person be subjected to a fatal destruction and not be subjected to torture, cruel and inhumane treatment? That violates Article 5 of the Declaration.
How can you recognize the will of man is not worthy of legal attention, treat him as to the timber but without belittling his legal status? [I guess loss of capacity] That is violating Article 6 and 7 of the Declaration.

In my opinion, these are real violations of human rights, however there is a reason why these violations are not punished.

At first, somebody would have to sue psychiatrists for violation of human rights in court.
And the victim has to convince that the human rights were violated.

The assaulters (psychiatrists) will be talking BS about treatment which is necessary for your health. You will have to persuade and convince that it is not a treatment, but a destruction of personality, and you will also have to persuade and convince that the brain-disabling / brain-damaging drug is a cruel and inhumane treatment. I have no doubt it is. But the people who are not victims of psychiatry do not know how things really are. They are misled to believe that psychiatrists are doctors who help people. It is up to the victims to convince and persuade that in your individual case psychiatrist violated your basic rights, subjected you to dehumanizing treatment, destroyed your personality, jailed you in a hospital when it was not necessary because there were other options, etc.

So everything that can be a possible violation of human rights must be sued in the european court for human rights, or in court in America. I would gladly join others and sue the country which mistreated me (UK).

Is anybody here considering to sue the UK for violation of his human rights (psych assault?)?

quackery wrote:
In my opinion, these are real violations of human rights, however there is a reason why these violations are not punished...

Yes, definitely sue psychiatrists needed. And in fact every reason for this is! And to prove the criminal actions of psychiatrists is not difficult. The problem is not the complexity of the evidence. The problem is stuck, vicious practice to ignore the will of the victims of psychiatry. Their arguments, judgments simply do not take into account. Although obliged to take! I think this and the reason why victims do not file lawsuits in the courts for psychiatrists. Or rather too little a claim. To prove that the person really was subjected to degrading, destructive influence is not difficult.
I do not think that people who are not faced with psychiatry do not understand the destructive activities of Psychiatry. Not so much they're stupid. And information about it that much, what is not to know about that is able to only one, who do not want to know anything. First of all, it is obvious per se coercion degrading effects. And no "arguments" of psychiatrists about the dangerous condition off which it was necessary to rescue human in way harm violence do not cancel! It is also not difficult to prove that very purpose, to suppress the will to destroy his feelings, motivations, aspirations have a goal to destroy a person. Destruction of feelings, motives, and will have the destruction of human. Well and, the immediate results are not hard to to detect. For psychiatric "treatment" destroys all reaction ability and the body itself. Problem is that the rulers of the fate of man is absolutely immoral and unlawfully did not want to see this! And it is not the desire to justify reference to the competence of the "doctors". Say if competent professionals conclude that human is not the one who considers himself but one whom they consider it they have no reason not to trust the professionals. At the same time they judge violate fundamental principles of law. After all, according to these principles, all people are equal !!! Everyone has the right to judicial protection. That his arguments were used for the trial of no less weight than the arguments of any other party!
Dear quackery I certainly support the need to appeal to the international court. Let's organize an appeal on behalf of the protesting citizens. I am ready to take in this act an active part. But I want to remind - you can not miss opportunities. Necessary to support the petition: http://goo.gl/sMnJ6y. And as much as possible to support! Off the number of supported depends very much! In this way we can attract the attention of mankind, to make "turn to face us." Then our appeal courts would react with much more attention.

Gorodov wrote:And to prove the criminal actions of psychiatrists is not difficult.

In my opinion, to prove the violation of human rights, or to prove criminal actions, malpractice, or anything at all is very difficult. Psychiatrists say everything they do is good for your health, and that your health would worsen without this (mis)treatment.

It is very difficult to a) challenge their claims in court because their claims are their opinion, and you can only get a second opinion, or third, but it is always some quack's opinion against yours, and their opinion always wins unless: b) you build a strong case which has logical and valid reasoning and finds the truth, offers strong evidence (such as references to peer-reviewed journals, etc.), and has legal merit to convince the court.

In my opinion, the law is very weak and does not offer many things that you can sue quacks for. Malpractice, for instance, is only when you can prove the damage that a quack caused by treating you differently than other quack would treat you. (see?). Fraud, etc. has to be also proven by some actual evidence, and you have to collect that evidence, make sure it is strong, legally admissible, etc.

It is nice that we agree about the violations of human rights, but in the human rights it actually allows to remove some of the human rights when it is necessary for health. Here quack's opinion is that it is necessary, and our opinion that it is not for health, but for damage of health. So we need to prove the damage, offer articles from peer-reviewed journals showing how these drugs cause brain-damage, disable the person, etc. We need to destroy the quack's opinion with evidence which shows to the contrary of what he says, so to prove that the treatment was harmful and the diagnosis was non-medical, unscientific, just an opinion, and we also need to argue that behavior is not an illness, and make it clear that psychiatry never found any underlying pathology, so they are diagnosing / criminalizing behavior which is NOT caused by any underlying illness, but by some difficult life situation.

I don't expect anybody to win the whole case against psychiatry, but to begin with, it would be good to build a strong case and then sue the quacks who damage our health and the country for engaging in these health-damaging practices that violate our human rights.

In quacks' reports, our health is written extremely negatively (severely mentally ill, very delusional, psychotic, etc.) and later it is written that we are successfully managed on drugs, and that we respond great to drug called [...] and therefore we can be released under the condition we take the [brain-disabling] drug [which disables us, therefore stops any behavior, including the unwanted behavior caused by our life difficulty]. So there reports also need to be challenged by counter-evidence, such as a testimony how the drugs severely damages our health, and how it blocks all behavior and thinking, and that it does not treat anything, only blocks and disables us.

But the simplest and most important thing we can do now is to support the petition http://goo.gl/sMnJ6y Why is nobody doing this?

Gorodov wrote:But the simplest and most important thing we can do now is to support the petition http://goo.gl/sMnJ6y Why is nobody doing this?

Because it is "simplest and most important" only in your opinion. Others' opinion differs. For example, in my opinion, any petition is useless, is a waste of time, and also might destroy anonymity which people who have been labeled with the most derogatory stuff in the world obviously want to keep.

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quackery wrote:
Because it is "simplest and most important" only in your opinion. Others' opinion differs. For example, in my opinion, any petition is useless, is a waste of time, and also might destroy anonymity which people who have been labeled with the most derogatory stuff in the world obviously want to keep.

quackery, the petition is not a complaint. The gist of is not that would rely on those to whom we address.
The bottom line is that to rely on such as we. Here it all decides quantity. Dozens, hundreds of supporters certainly did not solve. But thousands decides much. This petition we can demonstrate the of how many people do not agree to put up with the dominance of psychiatry. A government is not interested in what would have been a lot of disgruntled. And for signing a petition is not required to destroy anonymity. You can sign anonymously. But can also use regular mail. Send a request via post. And does not sign his own name. It does not matter.

Gorodov wrote:This petition we can demonstrate the of how many people do not agree to put up with the dominance of psychiatry. A government is not interested in what would have been a lot of disgruntled. And for signing a petition is not required to destroy anonymity. You can sign anonymously. But can also use regular mail. Send a request via post. And does not sign his own name. It does not matter.

Let's say I generate 10,000 anonymous signatures of the petition for you. Then what? Do you really believe anyone will do anything differently? I can even generate you 100,000 or a million, or more signatures. Do you believe something will change then? Does an online petition by itself mean anything? Can we change things in the world that we do not like just by collecting signatures? In my opinion, petition does not matter, but let's say egging, pepper spraying, fart spraying, sex adverts, stickers on the door, dogs, etc. all that can make the difference, and if you record it and post it on youtube you can get million views, each of them will get a chance to click your link and find out more...

So, IMO, a good way to get things to change is to start attacking shrinks by all means possible. Nothing feels better than directly facilitating perverted calls to your shrink's number, booking an escort service to come to his address, sending emails that you are suicidal under his name, etc. You see the impact that it has, vs the lack of impact that a petition has. Also, we should prank call shrinks, and encourage children to do it, and we need to disrupt and disable shrinks for fun before they disrupt and disable us for profit.

quackery wrote:
Because it is "simplest and most important" only in your opinion. Others' opinion differs. For example, in my opinion, any petition is useless, is a waste of time, and also might destroy anonymity which people who have been labeled with the most derogatory stuff in the world obviously want to keep.

He's got you there, just look at the Suffragists and Suffragettes. The Suffragists used petitions and got empty promises where as the Suffragettes used violent means to really get the message across, when that happened they were a bit more prepared to act.

Petitions don't always work. I don't know what people think they're going to do. It's not like that once a petition has reached the target the requests become in effect and the government is under legal obligation to act out. It's just a request, it's basically a bunch of people saying saying what they want to happen, doesn't mean it's going to happen. It could work but it's unlikely, when threatened with a piece of paper covered in signatures it's unlikely anyone will care, but when you actually go out there and prove you're going to do something then they'll take notice.

Psychiatry is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery. Please click the link.

quackery wrote:
Let's say I generate 10,000 anonymous signatures of the petition for you. Then what? Do you really believe anyone will do anything differently? I can even generate you 100,000 or a million, or more signatures...

Forge signatures unlikely to succeed. Voting specific visitors from spam they are distinguish. But much more importantly othe … Here you offer to spread antipsychiatric information at various widely visited resources. You believe that information is lacking? Yes is her full on the Internet! YouTube littered with anti-psychiatric subjects. Many anti-psychiatric psychiatry topic forums long and widely discussed. I myself have repeatedly participated and distributed this topic in different places. And I know that those topics read tens of thousands of people. But they did not understand anything! Information is enough. But they do not want to know. And so do not know! You assume that it is necessary to convey information about the psychiatric barbarity more people and they will seek exclusion of psychiatry? Yes nothing they achieve will think! They spit on the victims of psychiatry. I'm on the forums several times entered into heated discussions, trying to convey the nightmare of psychiatry. But they just nothing not realized. It is easier to bring the walls! They basically do not want to understand anything! And that is why we have to hope for yourself! On the such same as we. Only join forces, we can then achieve something. That's why I suggest what can be achieved together. Do you think I am confident that the petition will certainly help? Well no. I sure in another. Therein that petition the most promising acts from all that can be done. In our situation we have choice not thickly. The essence of the petition is not that would persuade those recipients to meet us halfway. The bottom line is to get them to go to meet us. And this can be achieved only by the amount.
Strictly speaking at first about petitions I did not thought. I offered other... Offer that every not indifferent wrote to the Member of Parliament. Letter through the mail. What would everyone turned away from you personally personally to a particular deputy. What would everyone appeal from myself in person to concrete deputy. What would voters turned to his handpicked. And what would this appeal to demand a change in the law. What would the force of law to ban psychiatric coercion. But none of my initiative is not supported! Spirit is not enough. So much so, that I myself sent a letter to lawmakers on my own, in the hope that others will follow my example. But none of my initiative is not supported. The my appeal letter and remains the only one. Then I tried to use the petition on the Internet. And here there is some sort of support. It turns out to sign petitions on the Internet is easier than sending a letter by mail. That's when I took up petitions. quackery sign the petition the action quite simple! Why do we worry that the results will not be? They did, and so no! What do we lose? But if there is any prospect that it should be used. Because otherwise we will achieve nothing guaranteed! Therefore, it is necessary simply to sign this petition. And do not think that it is useless.