Psychotherapists are on a power trip

Am I the only one to think psychotherapists get a kick out of "telling people what to do"?

It seems like they really enjoy the feeling of "limiting" and "modulating" a person's behavior.

A lot of people also seem to think that, that they enjoy a position of power and certain "prestige". They act like they're the boss of your life and hold all the secrets and knowledge to human existance.

Rarely they'll be realistic and go like "this is just superficial advice, I can't really treat mental problems and give sounding advice that will fix your life". They'r eusually quite sure footed and matter of fact in what they advice, and they automatically assume you're looking for their approval or disapproval on what you say.

Sorry if I'm not making this clear... I just really get annoyed at how most therapists i've seen where exactly like that. Stated opinion as fact and acted like their some sort of behavioral authority figure.

Id say you have a partner in this, me. I see it the same way. Some therapists come off as the thought police, they just aren't happy until someone is doing as they say, as they think. Psychiatry speaks of projection. Patients project what they themselves would like to see in others... funny thing is that holds more weight for shrinks. Patients tend to be the suggestible ones while shrinks do all the projection.

Id say the worst offenders are those who work for institutions. Psychiatric inpatient services are nothing but behavior modification centers. Nurses and psychiatrists get a kick out of controlling people be it with food, information, medication, ect ect. They always hide behind "the rules". Its more along the lines of rules covering what is really immoral behavior on their own part. Rules are nothing more than justification for what ought to be illegal.

Outpatient therapy is just shaming/judgment in some cases. I agree, these people have so much intimate knowledge of a person mind (though much if it is based on half truths) it gives them a feeling of needing to obtain as much intelligence on a person as possible. They become a walking library of your deepest darkest secrets (and they are so aware of that).

Id say approval/disproval patients seek is the shrinks own crafting. When a person gets to that point shrinks can use reward and punishment to condition a person further on how to think, even surrendering free will. Once free will is surrendered through constant judgment creating the internal notion a patient is to incompetent to think for themselves policing a persons mind becomes easy. And lets not forget "calming" shrink are taught to use when a patient is angry... it really nothing more than hypnotic induction into a relaxed state.

Ive seen behavior correction programs first hand (as hard is it is for anyone to believe who hasn't seen it) where staff would deliberately instigate conflict to anger people. Once the person was angered they would see a social worker or therapist where he or she would work on "calming the person". Calming was just hypnotic induction. Once induced to a suggestible state, they would start brainwashing the patient. The theory behind this was patients could reflect, and be taught why x and y in a more relaxed state. Reality being that's not what is was. The whole concept is incredibly unethical, but even more sickening was what some of these doctors were putting into the minds of impressionable people. False memory syndrome is one that comes to mind.

But yahh, Ive seen and heard it all. Some people really shouldn't be treating others.

Anyway, me 2 cents.

The few therapists I've dealt with personally and the many more I've read definitely seem to be on a power trip. They pretend to be omniscient and clairvoyant. They're CERTAIN how the human mind works and how distress can be alleviated. I read so much absolute, superior decrees from therapists and their attitude that they actually know more about life than others. And don't get me started about their how they subtly maintain their power and authority in therapy relationships.

I have terrible "flashbacks" of moments where I was clearly just being convinced what they were doing was helping me. How can they brainwash and weaken a mind so much? I feel depressed and robbed of my autonomy and livelihood just remembering it.

Their "oooh, poor thing, i'm here to help you" posture and falsely soothing voices, while they're just manipulating you and robbing you blind whilst believing themselves to be oh-so-benevolent healers of the mind is just gross. Seriously, it causes me disgust. They weaken us and enslave us, then try to do a shitt----y brainwash called "process of change". Alright, "change" happens all the time and some of it is good. But just demanding the obvious is not helpful at all. Their so called points of views, insights and techniques are horribly obvious and basically just pressure. I literally feel like I'm pressuring myself with a mask. This is not really change, this is just hammering demands... Gah.

Am I the only one who feels the same way? i find psychotherapy profoundly harmful. At best, a prostitute ear to listen.

I just think of people with BPD, ASPD, NPD, AVPD being hammered demands. Christ, words and habits don't fix this.. And fixing people is just horrible in it's essence, let alone with such a crude and harmful method. It's like a doctor intruding your body for surgery, not knowing jack-sheep about anatomy. ....Psychotherapy is a scam, if you ask me. A known one for many who practice.

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And Christ, yes, the power plays... It's horrible how they are actually trained in how to "protect" themselves and keep things one sided. We're at their mercy, basically. We have 0 leverage on them, and no way to tell what they can do until they do it (or it happens because of you or time, or something else, and they claim credit for it).

It's basically someone telling you the obvious, cold reading and mirroring what you say like a god damn sidewalk fortune teller, and then using an endless ammount of jargon and things borrowed from the more serious psych' sciences to justify their actions and put credibility and grandeur on it.


And honestly: Psychotherapists are among the most sordid, manipulative and overall miserable people I have ever met. They're like wastelands trying to leech off the remains of gardens of others.

Seldomly I have seen a psychotherapists who was actually helping YOU achieve something. They're usually condescending creeps who believe themselves to be all better and saviors. they might express the contrary, but deep down, it's what they seek. No judging mental illness, but !@#@, they all act like NPDs or BPDs, which are basically vampires.

My last psychotherapist definetely was a compensatory narcissist. So draining to be around these people... Their endless projecting, their endless envy. And ALWAYS acting like whatever they do, it's better than what you do. And whatever you do, is'nt as good as you think and needs to be fixed or helped somehow.


I know I wasvery unlucky and psychology has good people working on the field, and COMPETENT AND INTELLIGENT, but I do believe the vast majority are basically... LIke i Said, wastelands. Trying to put you at the same level they are.

Some might do it unconciouslly. They might be believe to be angels, saving others from the predicaments they endured themselves and not realizing they are externalizing their own issues into people who are vulnerable and gullible.

Terrible.

The world of psychotherapy is depressing.
It is ilogical.
It is dysfunctional.

Psychotheray is a sick thing and can hurt your mind.

Hi TwistedNerve. I agree with your posts.

All the shrinkians I've met cannot even hold a balanced conversation.
They nodd and hummm, so we won't suspect they're not-listening.
But they never say something that develops a weird idea that you bring.
In the end, it all runs downhill, back to the curriculum-of-docile-conformity.

Beyond the horizon is as taboo for mind-medicine
as it is for every other science [except for outlaw sorcery],
and trying to take any educated person there gets their knickers all twisted.

Shrinkies are as afraid of heresy as a dark-age priest is of the devil,
but fortunately they don't carry a stake, these days [not yet].

Incredibly, the Shrinkians don't have an adequate definition of awareness
[which is the essence of our beingness].
Like all of mankind [with some of us loonies as exceptions], they cannot get off the mental traintracks of their hypothetical orthodoxy.

This mental phobia is a really deep subject,
so rather than write a huge dissertation, I'll snipe at some of the main points.
We can have a party, ridiculing the pretenders.

You are morally correct in being angry at their passive-aggressive conformism.
Their devout pacifism is a crock. New Age Niceness protects us only from nice vegetarians.
Not only are they trotting out their useless dogma to confuse us,
but they politely insult our sincere efforts with assumptions that we have got it wrong.

The pretenders make me angry because they direct us down a path to despair.

My response to conceptual blindness is to find or make my own answers.
If the whole of mankind cannot think straight [my true not-kidding observation]
it's a waste of opportunity trying to agree with ideas that do not improve our life.

You want fresh answers, so look to the pioneers, the heretics.
Yes, the amount of nonsense is discouraging, but it usually easy to detect
when some look-at-me! is promising something-for-nothing on a barbed hook.

A useful rule of thumb test is "does this make me more free ?"
[ie more self-reliant, more response-able]
Yes is a good sign : No is poison.

Underlying the global Babel is a hidden agenda : I call it Forbidden Knowledge.
And surely it is real ; plenty of evidence that we are being stupified by an OUTSIDE agenda.
No father would wish the children weak and ignorant – it reflects badly on the father,
but we have endless punishment for eating of the fruit of the tree of good and evil [Genesis].
And the Lord did us no favours when he scattered our language into meaningless sounds.
Three conflicting religions from the same God [Jehovah, Jesus, Allah]. Designed for conflict.
Never did see a plausible explanation for such cruelty, except the secretive Mud Shadows.

I've found satisfaction and inspiration from reading the few outstanding authors I have found,
including some of what is supposedly fiction.

Bertrand Russell set a superb standard for reasoning and clarity in the First Attention.
I learned from him, not just from his sensible and decent conclusions,
but by studying the reasoning he assembled along the way. Worth the effort.

Carlos Castaneda opened a major door into forbidden knowledge.
Being so hated by his detractors is a meaningful clue to the importance of his disclosures.
[curiously similar campaign of lies was done to Noam Chomsky, another independent thinker]
Carlos Castaneda disclosed the accumulated knowledge of a longtime heretical science of awareness, presented [appropriately] as a Native American narrative history.
His "The Active Side of Infinity" neatly explains the paradox between our technical sophistication
and our grotesque self-important socialised stupidity [including our dear compassionate Shrinkies]

Jack Reacher is a fictional example of living by Toltec principles, the Warrior-Traveller's Path,
described without involving the secret Second Attention - so it does not spook the square readers.
Jack Reacher is a fun read, with an interesting mood of moral purity and self-reliance.

Procol Harum had their first album delayed 6 deadly publicity months, [by their distributor],
until their first hit [a Whiter Shade of Pale] was old news.
An invisible blow to their popularity, from which they never fully recovered.
Listen to "Shine On Brightly" [an acquired taste]
The poetic lyrics, the musical panorama, the different perspectives.
Fresh air for the spirit.

Getting away from orthodoxy has been a worthwhile adventure for me.
I will not be embarrassed when called to account for how I spent my life.
And, after all, how we live our life is a demonstration of our spirit.
Live a strong, intelligent life for your spirit.
It's an investment in personal evolution.

I loved everyone's responses here. Do you mind if I copy and paste the posts here to another website?

I'll make everyone anon on them.

I certainly think that many individuals (in whatever field) are in it for the money, prestige, power, etc....I have no respect for any of the like. I seek out individuals who really care (in any field).

twistednerve wrote:I loved everyone's responses here. Do you mind if I copy and paste the posts here to another website?

I'll make everyone anon on them.

Would linking this thread to the other site be ok instead?

Riccola wrote:

twistednerve wrote:I loved everyone's responses here. Do you mind if I copy and paste the posts here to another website?

I'll make everyone anon on them.

Would linking this thread to the other site be ok instead?

I'll ask on each website if it's alright to link to outside forums.

twistednerve wrote:

Riccola wrote:

twistednerve wrote:I loved everyone's responses here. Do you mind if I copy and paste the posts here to another website?

I'll make everyone anon on them.

Would linking this thread to the other site be ok instead?

I'll ask on each website if it's alright to link to outside forums.

Linking to this forum is ok, just cant copy past other members as its their own material. They own the rights to it so to speak. But if the other forum lets you link here, that will be great!