How d'ya feel about The Fox guarding The Henhouse?

Simple. Shrinks can't get rich unless there are bunches of people running around labelled as mentally ill, so shrinks therefore naturally ascribe mental illness to everyone they see. Shrinks further guarantee their lifelong rolling-in-dough by claiming that the alleged mental illness is an incurable condition which must be treated ad infinitum. It's corruption in its purest form, rank despotism sans checks or balances, sleaze incarnate.

So no, I don't subscribe to Fraud, nor cocaine addiction, nor the rantings of a deranged Austrian cocaine addict named Sigmund Fraud, whose solitary contribution to his fellows was to recommend to them the chronic use of cocaine.

I think that mental health is a field where corruption is a high risk, but I don't think all mental health workers are corrupt by default. It's sort of like with government, banking, pharmaceuticals (of all types), etc. The temptation for selfish and shady people is significantly greater than say, a career in the dairy industry.

I think what makes potential corruption especially risky in the mental health field is that people with genuine illness are unable to gauge and assess their own mental and emotional health accurately and clearly. This sets up a trump card of sorts, in that if a person does not have mental illness, or serious mental illness, professionals in the field can simply explain that the client/patient is unable to assess their own mental and emotional health, as that is part of the nature of mental illness.

The setup just makes it by default a situation where clients/patients are extremely vulnerable to corrupt professionals, and where corrupt professionals have an almost indefinite level of plausible deniability.

However, again, I don't believe that all mental health workers are corrupt by default. I also spent weeks homeless in southern California, and please believe me - some people really do need medical help. There was a very nice and intelligent woman in Venice who had Schizophrenia, and spent almost every night experiencing insects crawling out of her skin. She was in constant mental and emotional hell. If I had had the ability to do so, I would have had her medicated in a heartbeat, and there is no $$$ incentive for me in that plot. I just wanted to rescue her from perpetual torment. I don't consider myself a corrupt person. So I feel that it is possible for there to be mental health workers who are not just in it to win it, basically.

I'm not sure what the solution to it all is, though. It's complicated.

Yo alas, it's the Devil to blame, actual witchcraft ...that'd be my assessment. It's a gawd-awful mess alright. But haven't y'heard? Homo Sapiens is here for a limited-time engagement. When it finally comes to its ordained merciful (painless) end, no one is left standing. And Earth reverts to its inherent uncorrupt 'poetry'. Y'think??

jdnewell wrote:Simple. Shrinks can't get rich unless there are bunches of people running around labelled as mentally ill, so shrinks therefore naturally ascribe mental illness to everyone they see. Shrinks further guarantee their lifelong rolling-in-dough by claiming that the alleged mental illness is an incurable condition which must be treated ad infinitum. It's corruption in its purest form, rank despotism sans checks or balances, sleaze incarnate.

So no, I don't subscribe to Fraud, nor cocaine addiction, nor the rantings of a deranged Austrian cocaine addict named Sigmund Fraud, whose solitary contribution to his fellows was to recommend to them the chronic use of cocaine.

I do have to agree, that the way the current mainstream mental health care system runs diagnosis are handed out all to easy. Medication is even more loosely prescribed. I see many mental conditions that can be made better if not completely cured, but truthfully mainstream psychiatry only treats the symptoms not the cause. In fact the whole model is centered around treating & managing symptoms rather than what might be a root cause. Psychiatrist are often told in training to be cold and distant to patients while handing out medication entirely on a symptom check list.


Certainly, If the mental health care system had a higher success rate, fewer patients would need life long treatment or the same level of psychotropic investment. In fact I have seen patients who are in a strong support system set up by the mental heath care institutions have fewer mood swings or depressive episodes which ultimately require less hospitalizations with less medication. Patients who I have seen in poor treatment environment fair far worse. The poor treatment seems to be in itself a trigger. In know in my experience any malpractice or treatment that was counter productive would set me back further eroding the few coping mechanisms I had left.


If the notion was discarded that mental illness is not for life rather curable, many people would begin to improve. Treatment would go from management of the incurable to healing what is curable... to helping a person reach their maximum potential. But for now I do agree with you, we have a long way to go.

CopperMoon wrote:I think that mental health is a field where corruption is a high risk, but I don't think all mental health workers are corrupt by default. It's sort of like with government, banking, pharmaceuticals (of all types), etc. The temptation for selfish and shady people is significantly greater than say, a career in the dairy industry.

I think what makes potential corruption especially risky in the mental health field is that people with genuine illness are unable to gauge and assess their own mental and emotional health accurately and clearly. This sets up a trump card of sorts, in that if a person does not have mental illness, or serious mental illness, professionals in the field can simply explain that the client/patient is unable to assess their own mental and emotional health, as that is part of the nature of mental illness.

The setup just makes it by default a situation where clients/patients are extremely vulnerable to corrupt professionals, and where corrupt professionals have an almost indefinite level of plausible deniability.

However, again, I don't believe that all mental health workers are corrupt by default. I also spent weeks homeless in southern California, and please believe me - some people really do need medical help. There was a very nice and intelligent woman in Venice who had Schizophrenia, and spent almost every night experiencing insects crawling out of her skin. She was in constant mental and emotional hell. If I had had the ability to do so, I would have had her medicated in a heartbeat, and there is no $$$ incentive for me in that plot. I just wanted to rescue her from perpetual torment. I don't consider myself a corrupt person. So I feel that it is possible for there to be mental health workers who are not just in it to win it, basically.

I'm not sure what the solution to it all is, though. It's complicated.

Everything you said is well true imo.


I agree that good people exist, but in the system I have met two other kinds of people. Those who have good intentions but don't know how to put them forward and those who are less than nice. The biggest perpetuator of ignorance and evil is the astronomical amount of protection the system has to those who run it. A one way street that grants power to psychiatric systems but removes the rights of the patient. I find that outside of HIPPA, a patient has few rights. And this long standing mentality exists that what ever is expressed by the patient is the byproduct of said illness, since its just easier to assume that it is. Patients are trapped and thus have no where to go or defend themselves.


But, the patient you bring up who is on the street is another victim. While she may not be in treatment, that fact she isn't or that it failed her to start with is a huge problem demanding a solution. Then again she may be on the street because she would rather be, than deal with a system that will just warehouse or abuse her. Ive met people who would rather be in poverty than have to deal with psychiatry. From what I personally went through I don't blame them in the least.

The solution is not easy. Even if less than well meaning staff left, there is still the complexity of treatment. I know for a fact that half of disorders mainstream psychiatry is not capable of treating. I lived through it first hand: Trauma disorder are well beyond what tools or understanding mainstream psychiatry can to offer. Trauma or the like, the system will not be able to help you, in fact they cant even make heads or tails of it.

I guess I just saw it as an overall society failure. I didn't see medicine or the industry that tries to make medicines as culprits. I was more so just disgusted with society about the whole thing.

Because for one, there was no adequate mental hospital in the area (that I could find anyway). The places that existed were just meant as 'emergency' centers, but didn't actually work with people over time to help them reach and maintain quality of life.

Instead the mentally ill on the streets were like.. the law enforcement's "problem". And the LAPD is about as sensitive as a serial killer, in my observations. They respond to everything with aggression and putting people in cages.

So if this schizophrenic homeless woman started freaking out really badly, the rest of us on the street (who actually cared) would be in a tight spot, because we didn't want the police to get involved. If a housed person were to call the police for "noise disturbance" or "trespassing" then this woman would have a horrifically traumatic time with them.

And then the local housed citizenry just didn't give a damn. I'm from the Midwest, so being in southern California was a major culture shock to me. I had never seen that sort of environment before, where there are thousands of middle or upper class people just stepping around the homeless like they don't even exist. It didn't seem to bother them at all that there were ill and dying people around them. It was like some messed up nightmare.

There was literally no safe place for that woman to be/go. And there was no way for us to help her, because there was no way for us to help her see past her hallucinations.

I guess ultimately I blamed all of the millions of average citizens. It's their tax money, their elected officials. There was no reason not to have a facility that humanely stabilizes the mentally ill and then helps them work towards housing of some kind, even if it's assisted living or something.

I just didn't seen psychiatry in and of itself as the culprit. That woman probably could have benefited greatly from some medicine to stop the horrific hallucinations. It was just that nobody cared. The only 'solution' was for the LAPD to come traumatize her and put in her cage, then back out on the streets.

I guess I just feel that the problem runs a lot deeper than greedy shrinks. I think there is some kind of sickness in society at large that would allow that kind of situation, when we have the resources to prevent it.

CopperMoon wrote:I guess I just saw it as an overall society failure. I didn't see medicine or the industry that tries to make medicines as culprits. I was more so just disgusted with society about the whole thing.

Because for one, there was no adequate mental hospital in the area (that I could find anyway). The places that existed were just meant as 'emergency' centers, but didn't actually work with people over time to help them reach and maintain quality of life.

Instead the mentally ill on the streets were like.. the law enforcement's "problem". And the LAPD is about as sensitive as a serial killer, in my observations. They respond to everything with aggression and putting people in cages.

So if this schizophrenic homeless woman started freaking out really badly, the rest of us on the street (who actually cared) would be in a tight spot, because we didn't want the police to get involved. If a housed person were to call the police for "noise disturbance" or "trespassing" then this woman would have a horrifically traumatic time with them.

And then the local housed citizenry just didn't give a damn. I'm from the Midwest, so being in southern California was a major culture shock to me. I had never seen that sort of environment before, where there are thousands of middle or upper class people just stepping around the homeless like they don't even exist. It didn't seem to bother them at all that there were ill and dying people around them. It was like some messed up nightmare.

There was literally no safe place for that woman to be/go. And there was no way for us to help her, because there was no way for us to help her see past her hallucinations.

I guess ultimately I blamed all of the millions of average citizens. It's their tax money, their elected officials. There was no reason not to have a facility that humanely stabilizes the mentally ill and then helps them work towards housing of some kind, even if it's assisted living or something.

I just didn't seen psychiatry in and of itself as the culprit. That woman probably could have benefited greatly from some medicine to stop the horrific hallucinations. It was just that nobody cared. The only 'solution' was for the LAPD to come traumatize her and put in her cage, then back out on the streets.

I guess I just feel that the problem runs a lot deeper than greedy shrinks. I think there is some kind of sickness in society at large that would allow that kind of situation, when we have the resources to prevent it.

You know, you do have a point. Ive always felt the same way, something in society is wrong... I mean this should not be happening let alone get that far. It has always amazed me.


What has always bothered me is the legal justice system. Sometimes they are a criminal entity in itself. I say this based on the way some individuals are handled by police like the homeless you mention. Those individuals aren't helped, rather terrorized by police even murdered by them. I have seen the cases on the news, and those cops are so far away from recognizing mental illness let alone handling it correctly. The force used is insane. For something that could be easily de-escalated officers come on seen pumped up instigating anything as much as they can. I so agree with you, I know exactly what you are referring to.


Unlike decades past, the mentally ill today are either on the streets or in prison. Law enforcement has just become a garbage disposal. But IMO I think its a result of decades past wrong doings by psychiatry. De-institionalization became a movement triggered by the abuses of psychiatry. Insurance no longer wants to pay what it once did, I don't blame them considering what Ive seen.

Mental Hospitals and psychiatrist are another story. I cant speak for everyone but inadequate for me was a light term. These places perhaps not as bad as the criminal justice system (in my observations) has its own limitations. They are abusive in other ways, and even those places that were less so, didn't have much to offer.

Its a broken system and society as a whole does not seem to care. In fact unless you yourself struggle with illness its not likely something you would think about.

I hate it, I really do.

Yeah I agree with you. I just don't personally think it's a very effective strategy to just target psychiatry for criticism and pressure to change. The funding has to come from somewhere, the vigilant inspections to prevent abuse / inhumane treatment has to come from somewhere.

The way I see it is that in different situations, there are typically three sides:

Evil: people who want to take advantage of and harm others
Virtue: people who abhor evil and stand up against it
Neutrality: essentially the necessary 'food' for evil to thrive on

And while I don't see a crap-ton of evil in society (I do see it, but not as the majority), I do see a crap-ton of neutrality/apathy.

Most people don't care that psychiatric facilities are understaffed, poorly managed, poorly monitored and tend to do more harm than good.
Most people don't care that law enforcement brutalizes the mentally ill and puts them in cages (but never helps them).
Most people don't care if their government spends a billion dollars on parties/vacations/luxuries and then says there is not enough funding to help the mentally ill.

The collective of average citizens has the power to make positive change, and most people just don't give a damn.

Corruption in psychiatry and elsewhere wouldn't be as possible if most people gave a damn about it.

So when I feel angry and the need to vent, I tend to bypass psychiatry, government officials, the police, etc and instead find myself questioning society as a whole.

CopperMoon wrote:Yeah I agree with you. I just don't personally think it's a very effective strategy to just target psychiatry for criticism and pressure to change. The funding has to come from somewhere, the vigilant inspections to prevent abuse / inhumane treatment has to come from somewhere.

The way I see it is that in different situations, there are typically three sides:

Evil: people who want to take advantage of and harm others
Virtue: people who abhor evil and stand up against it
Neutrality: essentially the necessary 'food' for evil to thrive on

And while I don't see a crap-ton of evil in society (I do see it, but not as the majority), I do see a crap-ton of neutrality/apathy.

Most people don't care that psychiatric facilities are understaffed, poorly managed, poorly monitored and tend to do more harm than good.
Most people don't care that law enforcement brutalizes the mentally ill and puts them in cages (but never helps them).
Most people don't care if their government spends a billion dollars on parties/vacations/luxuries and then says there is not enough funding to help the mentally ill.

The collective of average citizens has the power to make positive change, and most people just don't give a damn.

Corruption in psychiatry and elsewhere wouldn't be as possible if most people gave a damn about it.

So when I feel angry and the need to vent, I tend to bypass psychiatry, government officials, the police, etc and instead find myself questioning society as a whole.

Well said!

I agree. I tend to pick up on psychiatry just because of 'tunnel vision' but as a whole the collective mass has all the power to change it, yet just doesn't care. To me I don't see others having a concern unless it effects them personally. Until then its to late.

Corruption is as you say, if some one took a stand against it, if they took force as a whole, as a team, corruption would end over night.

IMO, activism is the best way to get word out. Once truth gets out, especially truth as a personal story, then it gets change rolling. A personal story has the most power because its raw truth. Truth can not be disputed. Perhaps one can form an opinion on it, but truth itself is not opinion, its fact.

At least my views on the subject

jdnewell wrote:Simple. Shrinks can't get rich unless there are bunches of people running around labelled as mentally ill, so shrinks therefore naturally ascribe mental illness to everyone they see. Shrinks further guarantee their lifelong rolling-in-dough by claiming that the alleged mental illness is an incurable condition which must be treated ad infinitum. It's corruption in its purest form, rank despotism sans checks or balances, sleaze incarnate.

So no, I don't subscribe to Fraud, nor cocaine addiction, nor the rantings of a deranged Austrian cocaine addict named Sigmund Fraud, whose solitary contribution to his fellows was to recommend to them the chronic use of cocaine.

Three of the shrinks that I have the misfortune to be dealing with are receiving £24500 pounds a year in addition to their basic salary by forcing me to take an injection of Risperdal for the past four years. The money is far more important to these "sleaze bags" than the injury that they have caused to myself. That being said I am due in the region of five to ten million pounds in damages from Northamptonshire mental health services.

Guarding The Henhouse ?

THE FOX BUILT THE HEN HOUSES !!

Psychiatrist Creates Bipolar Disorder Epidemic in Children: Admits Receiving $1.6 Million Drug Company Payoff...

http://www.askgrace.ca/psychiatrist-creates-bipolar-disorder-epidemic-children-admits-receiving-16-million-drug-company-payoff/

How about the Zyprexa Scandle ?

Eli Lilly & Company's rap sheet as a public menace is so long that for Lilly watchers to overcome the "banality-of-Lilly-sleaziness" phenomenon, the drug company must break some type of record measuring egregiousness.

The Case for Giving Eli Lilly the Corporate Death Penalty http://www.alternet.org/story/129709/the_case_for_giving_eli_lilly_the_corporate_death_penalty

These "foxes" don't care how many injure and kill with their lies, frauds and crimes as long as they make their billions.

Not even children are off limits.

With patent extension up for grabs, Shire agrees to test Vyvanse in preschoolers , http://www.fiercepharma.com/story/patent-extension-grabs-shire-agrees-test-vyvanse-preschoolers/2014-06-12

Glaxo Testing Paxil on 7-Year-Olds http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/06/12/glaxo-testing-paxil-on-7yearolds-despite-suicide-risks.aspx

I could easily post 100 more stories like those above, the whole psych industry seems like its run by some soulless subspecies that preys on the rest of us.