Iatrogenic helplessness in authoritarian psychiatry

http://www.breggin.com/iatrogenic.pbreggin.1983.pdf here's the pdf, unfortunately the conclusion is missing some lines but its good article. check it out it by Peter Breggin.

Iatrogenic means illness caused by doctors, so much can be said for psychiatry and the drugs they use that give the illusion that they fix symptoms but its just an iatrogenic illness making it seem like symptoms go away.

I could say a lot about this with anger and frtustration and suicidal feelings are all iatrogenic, same can be said about the fear when you not on antipscyhotics YET in hosptial fear and helplessness with authority over you...most peole get invollved with pscyhiatry and respect its authority but for me it just causes anger and disrespect of the quacks, which they say is my illness, an iatrogenic illness.

everything the quacks thinkk they know about me is iatrogenic, like the thought disorder even I got a lot to say but with the iatrogenic condition the expanse of mind only works in one dimetnion I don't have a mind and trying tos ay all the stuff that agitatels me and explaining I wouldn't have gone on a tangent if it wasn't for the antipsychotic, I don't even bother with talking anymore I know it will come out $#%^ but I still have a lot to say, seeking justice...Its about time the quacks realised that I have iatrogenic illness....like the reason they increased my meds bec ause I was outraged about a lie the quack told me about my musicianship impro0ving with the iatrogenic illness fromt he drugs, asurd she obviously doesn't know much about the drugs or creativity, I need higher brain function for it and the antipsychotic blocks my higher brain function, I need to be tuned in and have an interest at least...I was soo outraged I took it to a muso from this support group I was going to and got pulled aside asking if I was alright, just mad about the lie I was told about something that used to mean a loot to me...I don't even metnion that I used to be a muso anymore, the quack beat out my complaint about it by saying most schizoprhenics improve their musicianship with the iatrogenic illness from the drugs...#######4...she needs to learn but how am I gonna teach her any time I try it comes out to the effect of the antipsychotic scrambled and not making any sense to her, or it goes over her heads...I think a ot of what I write goes over peoles heads but it doens't mean its thought disordered and schizophrenic like the quacks make out...I am mad but this causes me problems being mad and dumbed out on antipsychotic, no place will here me and doubt the legal side of things and review tribunal will listent o me when I say my illness is caused by the dodgy quacks, need to get out of the system I not want their authority.

no joke, the only reason shrinks think its a dopamine imbalance is because the iatrogenic illness seems etter then before when someone was agitated about the iatrogenic problems with quackery.

Razel, hang in there! Its terrible, but hang in.

Thanks for the link. Its an perfect read, its so accurate.


Reach out to who you can. Sounds like no one is helping you.

Interesting. I like this link.

thanks ricollla...hangin in......there..and copy cat too...its a good link

still not explaining what the iatrogenic illness really is, all the negative symptoms I have and life viod of interests like I said losing all interests in life and going down hill, all my bonzai tree's died now I just got mess of pots full of dead $#%^...not doing anything just sleep all the time and write a lot of emails to complaints commissioner and my case manager and the head pscyhiatrist at the service trying to e heard but its not working so I just gonne keep at them untilll I notice a change...pplus there is my fantasies about their treatmetn on the astral and interstellar they are all in cages with books they better read to be able to ever get out...made peace wtih warring lot and blamed my actions on the psychiatrist and iatrogenic illness that is probably most important that living like the iatrogenic illness for a long time does a lot of damage for when you remov3e the cchemical straightjacketing, chemical lobotomy and find taht dopamine runs more actively as greater abundance of dopamine receoptors now the brain has adapted to fight off the illness from the drugs...so you are screwed to come off the drugs too because it makes them think you are schizoprhenic and need a high dose or will become unwell...I did major catch up sessions when coming off them and blamed the psychiatrists for the war we had, I was also ###$ on Zeldox which was a big deal...insomnia and did some really $#%^ stuff like trash my apartment and do a runner from the wars and stuff that was overall the psychiatrists fault because I wasn't ready for visitation from what was actually higher beings but much the same as humans on earth, some other stuff too...sorry if that is triggering anyone, I recovered with sleep and know the difference in my state of mind and activity on the astral goes down, I since found breathing excercises for weird trips I get because mixing antipscyhoatic with marijuana and now have no problem, getting to meditation give pwoer back that they took away through being astral pests and scavangers picking on me ecause I am a sitting duck another astpect of the iatrogenic illness a sort of tardive pscyhosis of sorts, I would shake and was told this was my ascension by the post warring peacefull brothers that are tortureing the quacks and people from the service, they ddeserve it but they think they don't but they do, they ###$ my life and now I just gotta find balace in non iatrogenic state....for a while until I reach my evolutionary potential and what they are holding me back from, I can expct great things but they are holding me back.

This is my letter that I spread areound the place with the attachment of breggin. I sent it to the mental heallth tribunal abbout a complaint I made that they ignored me and said they couldn't decipher it, ignorant bastrards, the new act has set up that they repsond to complaint by changing policy so I want to be heared about the truth.

This is what my complaint is abbout because it seems MHT just let the details go over their head abbout the iatrogenic illness brought on by treatmetn, they are just as ignornat as the pscyhaitrists and not independent at all, just because I disagree with the shrinks they say I must stay on a CTO its not fair, they ignored the illness broaught on by treatmetn destroying my life and more of a risk then any no drug situations off CTO and not a chance in hell I be going back to hosptial and no damage wass done the other times either, actually I owe my life to the developmetns I made in these times recovering from iatrogenic illness, with my exceptional perceptions to have astral guides and protection and evolution and developmetn of my religious path. I can't stress this enough. I know how I affectded iatrogenically by the treatment because I know I recover from sleep deprivation and know what its like to be normal, so I know what illness is caused by the treatment , its quite obvious just the psychiatrists are in denial and have fantasy / delusion about the "medicine" grandeur delusions too, they think they are clever practicing pseudo-science, they disagree mostly to keep their pride and say its symptoms to challenge them with stuff that doesn't make any sense to them so they get lost thinking its thought disordered too, hardly and its what the iatrogenic illness is to make me get lost in a tangent and something to do with the preoccupations of the shrink I was aware that i lost them, I am quite receptive still, its a challenging situation when talking to a shrink..

sorry I write so many emails RE ,my original , I can't help it, I need help with the shrinks and nobody is listening.
here is the attachmetn sorry I left it out of my latest REply.

I won't be sending anymore emails I doubt it, it has proved useless and nobody is listening, can't stress enough either how I am effected by the authority to make me forget that I was ever a musician and forget my complain about the blunted mind causing the apparent thought disorder, its still an issue because now I slid further into the iatrogenic illness and can barely bring myself to talk about this stuff.

It is ludicrous too that they are threatened by my astral perceptions, as I said without the iatrogenic illness its normal and an advancement in my perceptions, I am in no way threateded by my deliberate astral projection, its part of my characteristeics and should be respected not made into a delusions for how is it even technically a delusions, obviously the psychiatrist doesn't know what they are on about, its deliberate...this needs to be heard too.....

another aspect of the iatrogenic illness is what happens when no longer living with it blunting everything, so lacking coping mechanisms is part of it, plus the rockyness of the religius path realigning and catching up for lost time, its all the psychiatrists fault, everything they think they got on me was an iatrogenic illness from the benzo incident in the ED blocking my thoughts and making it impossible not to get lost on tangents, I was agitated with this illness and they just said I was paranoid about what I knew the drugs were doing, they made me sick with the antipsychotic from perspective of my recovered state once I slept, they made me sick and still noticed I was sick and thought it must be the schizoprhenia, they made me sick so how can this not be respected as a complaint, I am still sick from it I don't do anything have no interests or skills anymore and sleep all the time in bed by 8pm up at 10drink a V Kaboom then back to bed and thats the pattern, drinking energy drinks and sleeping all the time, there is nothing to do anyway they have killed everything in my life with an iatrogenic illness, and I am complaining about it.


Subject: RE: iatrogenic illness's
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:52:08 +1000

that one about the apparent thought disorder has been drilled out of me by the authoritarian quacks, I don't make any sense to them becuasee they are deluded about their medicine that causes an iatrogenc illness.


Subject: RE: iatrogenic illness's
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:43:32 +1000



This is probably going to be tough to explain, this complaint has been drilled out of me that psychiatrists would detect thought disorder from the iatrogenic illness brought on by the antipscyhotic on expanse of consiousness, my mind with this illness only works in 1 dimension when I have no mind at my disposall to think with to put into telling a story, where it would usually work in 10dimetnions with so much information to bring up, and I was aware that my deficited state led me to a tangent but the quack has already lost track and is preoccupied with ignoring what I am saying disagreeing with the schizoprhenic and claiming I am schizophrenic, how rude and deranged, totally not a normal environment and they have no insight into the disorder they are forcing me to live with losing all meaning in life. So I am really blunted and I have a lot to bring up, they would see improvements with my iatrogenic illness when now I barely bother to talk about what I already discussed with the pscyhiatrist but they are ignoring me leaving me helpless and agitated about the situation yet another iatrogenic disorder brought on by the quacks. Its the reason I annoy people with so many emails. quacks authority is why I no longer complain about used be a musician, it used to mean a lot to me and I was good, now I have no interest or ability, they claim that with the illness brought on by antipsychotic that people improve theri musicianship, what a joke, this got me outraged and took it to a muso from IMPACT support services and got pulled aside asking if I was alright, yeah I was alreight but just angry aobut a lie I was told, so they increased my medication even though its just iatrogenic problem...nobody listening anyway, don't know if I will keep this up until another round witht he shrinks gives me more material on how much I hate theri sorry arses, deluded fools thinking there treatmetns are medicine, they cause an illness that only seems better, rough deal now i have no interests in life and brain disabled zombie.
the musicianship incident happened less then 12months ago I think , is it worth investigating??
Read Peter Breggin talk about iatrogenic helplessness in psychiatry, he talks about iatrogenic illness's brought on by the treatments too but not as specifically as I could if I had a mind to ring up Ben from the MHCC, I seem to be able to express better in writing not that anyone really registers with what I am talking about, its useless.


Subject: RE: iatrogenic illness's
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:45:33 +1000

my complaint to MHT was about iatrogenic disorders caused by psychiatrists, they cause me to become disordered with their brain disabling treatmetns but the details seem to go over your heads.

here is an article by Dr Peter Breggin on Iatrogenic disorders and helplessness in psychiatry that would make me annoy people with too many emails until I get this sorted out. I definately not respect this authority they practice pseudo science and the illnesss seem to get better with the iatrogenic illness ;s that seem better on the outside but on the isnde things aren't looking too good, I have no mind and doubt this will make any sense to go any further.


Subject: RE: iatrogenic illness's
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:11:57 +1000

I wonder what lucinda throrely will think of my claim to having Iatrogenic condition? Mark can you pass it on to her? I doubt it. Iits her fault my life is ruined from iatrogenic illness from the pscych drugs...she is ignorant and will probably just disagree, but she is living a lie ad it has to stop, how can she disagree that she would see an improvement if there was a bit of mutual respect but mostly she deserves no resect and isn;'t going to get any by continually disagreeing with me causing the iatrogenic disorder of helplessness and angeer and frustration that has nowhere to go but fester up inside me, at least it causes me to write a lot of emails aout the dilemma, that nobody reading as apparently my sentences are too long, or I have a proooblem with grammar.n
The information I am trying to get accrooss is impportant and wouldn't be able to talk abut it in person, I find I can express a loot easier but it is still difficult now with med increases to write about it, they would think this is an improvement but its just signs of an iatrogenic illness

where the iatrogenic disorder become complicated is I also blame her for what happens when I get off the antipscyhotic and the 2012 incident where I had been living without any activity on the astral and then suddenly it becomes normal again and I made war with an over eager alien race and it was my own fault for detroying some of there people, I would know not to do this if never living with the iatrogenic condition for such a long time, they disrespect my perceptions in total and barely understand it, just metnioning it sets me up with the mentality that there is something wrong with astral perceptions, now I am say9ing that there is no abnormality just developmetn of my percetpions into higheer dimentions and this is true, the astral is a reality. Maybe metnal health complaints commissioner needs to know this too but noobody wants my emails talking about my struggle, I doubt we will see an end to having me held captive like this and trying to be heard..

Lucinda needs to listen and respect what I am saying, she can't go oon disagreeing without having a valid reason to disagree with me, seems she doesn't need to give a reason and I am yet to inform her that she is living a lie and really let the truth be known...all I used to do when I had a mind is practice what I wass going to say to pscyhiatrists, not the best headspace to aways occuppy and this is obviously iatrogenic, as why would I need to rehearse what I am going to say, this is when I had some of a mind oon the loowest dose...they increased because I wass outraged about a lie about my musicianship that used to be very important to me but now I barely even metnion it now and may as well sell my instruments if I i truly am going to stay on a CTO for the rest ofmy kife for disagreeing entirely with the pscyhaitrists, thats all that matters to the metnal health tribunal, lucinda killled my complaint claiming that more of the drug will help me improve, #######4, she obbviously doesn't know much about the drugs she prescribes or whata the iatrogenic deprivation in dopamine is going to do to the creative mind taht might vibrate in higher dimentions to be creative, the anti0pscyhotic is limitatiioon in every area of life and has claimed me and I dont like being this way anymore, something must be done about it....I used to be able to practice mindfulllness and was very keen to observe my mind and there was only ever something going wrong when sleep deprived, and onnce I recovered as I had done in the past there was nothing wrong so I know very well what this iatrogenic illness is all about and has got me fuming but no place will hear me out.


Subject: RE: iatrogenic illness's
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:01:37 +1000

This attachmetn is written by a pscyhiatrist on iatrogenic disorders in psychiatry.

the helples state asociated to having life and liberty overturned in being hosptialised is part of this, thats the wort iatrogenic disorder associated to the fear of pscyhiatric processing and much to fear.


Subject: iatrogenic illness's
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:37:51 +1000

This is a really good article and talks about iatrogenic conditions that I suffer from, by Peter Breggin a bit later in it it gets onto psychiatry.

Like I was upset and angry about being lied to about my musicianship improving from iatrogenic illness's caused by antipsychotic, as if I would improve with antipsychotic and apparently people do report improving so I took my agitation out on a muso from IMPACT support services outraged about the lie I had been told...So this is the reason perhaps I got med increase but its an illness caused by doctors, they are the only problem I have with life and the iatrogenic illness and helplessness that Breggin talks about, Psychiatry has an authority over me, and in no way lined up with respecting anything I wish to share and by the way they would see improvement if I started to respect their authority over my life, say with a medication reduction although I would still ahve a problem with less intense dose of iatrogenic illness.

I am lost for words just hope you get something out of the attachment about iatrogenic conditions in psychiatry, the fear is dumbed out on the iatrogenic condition caused by the antipsychotic, at least breggin is on the same wavelength when he talks about how psychiatrists are fooled into thinking this condition brought on by antipshcotic is an illness that seems to make the symptoms go away, but from my experience it is no better, and sleeping is all I needed before having this illness brought on by psychiatric drugs...

iatrogenic thing isnt just about the effect of antipscyyhotic, but the relationship with the authority and psychiatry, it has made me feel suicidal and this is definately iotrogenic and a little to do with the iatrogenic condition from antipsychotic and the anhedonia as a result losing all meaning and life direction lost of all interests and motivation to get things right, totally a victim of an iotrogenic illnes brought on by the heavy use of antipscyhotics, don't get suicidal anymore now because of my fantasy that higher beings are treating them accordingly, they may not think they deserve it but they do.

I write a lot of emails and annoy peopple, but thats just the point, its iatrogenic, insightless bastards

Just added this

Thanks ben, actually think breggin is a psychiatrist, don't know how he made it through medical school getting taught the outrageiuos delusions about medications.

Just to add, from time not living with iatrogenic illness from antipsychotic my state was wanting justice for past times family hooked me up with psychiatrist, so my persecutory delusions and paranoia about family is iatrogenic. Its hard to get accross this state of mind reliving hospitalisations, waking up and knowing I was targeted for being awake....I wanted justice but it made a mess of me, this is iatrogenic......MHT is useless to bring up all the instances where psychiatrists get it wrong, about everything I suffer from in life is caused by psychiatry, trying to get the point accross that my drug free state might be stressed about justice, and justice for the forgotten truama associated to past hospital admissions....its iatrogenic and definately caused by ppsychiatry that I not trust my family, much resentments and these resentmetns that get me in trouble and is iatrogenic. It is very frustrating that I now lost my family to their education from metnal illness workers and they never learned what their son has to offer, much more then set up with further iatrogenic problems.

to VCAT I suppose I will get screwed around, filled out the form but didn't have the number for the MHT hearing so I suppoose it will be ignored and may aswell book another hearing with MHT, maybe they listen this time, but I doubt it,,, they can't seem too make sense out of my complaints about the ignorance of the panel.

So to end, lucinda thorely is chronically deluded about antipsychotics, and has no insight into her deranged position. She is being forwarded peter breggins work on the situation but only assume the deluded and deranged bitch will disagree with him, grandeur delusions , she thinks she knows better then me and leading experts on iatrogenic illness's/

I found contact details for breggin and almost started a new thread about this http://www.empathictherapy.org/ its his organisation sounds relaly good, I dsigned up for the newletter and poped off an email to this contact aswell as the other one I found. told him about my iatrogenic disorder.