Bad psychiatric experience - extremism

I've had a bad psychiatric experience. More than ten years ago I was put away twice ( once for forty days, the next year for seven months). In my country they can lock people down without any evidence.
I was around 20-22 at the time. I was a very intelligent and creative kid. I just didn't like going to school and never paid attention to what the teacher said. My father walked out on me when I was 8, my mom started drinking. My father was-is a business man, he wanted me to be like him and couldn't accept it. I wanted to start my own life, making money, but I failed, it was hard to find and mostly to keep a job. I failed so many times. My father found a shrink who put me away. He wrote down that I was a danger to myself and our society which was a lie. I spent forty days at a hospital, was put on zyprexa and turned into a zombie. The atmosphere at the hospital was heartbreaking. From the first moment on, nurses and doctors told me: your dad wanted you to be here so you are very ill. When I told them I didn't agree, they said: believe me you are sick. After 40 days I was diagnosed with autism. I just couldn't believe it. No one believed it and after that stay at the hospital I was disgusted with psychiatry. I quit taking drugs, the first days I felt a bit strange but I felt so much better without drugs.
But this experience turned me into an embittered person. How could this happen to me? How is it possible that they can put people away. The next year, my dad consulted another doctor. He came to my home and put me away again. The main issue was that I didn't want to get helped. I quit taking my zyprexa which made me fail. This time the diagnosis wasn't autism but schizophrenia. On the official papers I also got to read that I cut myself. The craziest thing was: they gave me no drugs at the hospital even though schizophrenia was the official diagnosis.
After six months I was released with the help of someone from CCHR. She knew how psychiatry killed people and my shrink was obviously scared of organisations like CCHR. After my second stay at the hospital I really raged against the system. I was so embittered. I did everything to please CCHR. Helped organising manifestations, exhibitions,....just for free.
Parents taking their kids to shrinks were bad people. Nutrition, water, lifestyle,....could do the trick. When I met people not being interested in antipsychiatry I thought they were bad.

But after ten years I think: my experience with psychiatry is bad, it still has a bad impact on how I function. I tried to go back to school, saw a few psychologists trying to help me with this trauma, but until now nothing has really helped.
On the other hand I was happy there was an organisation acknowledging the problem. Psychiatry can kill people and I must admit: at the hospital I've seen many more people bein stuck than getting the right help.
On the other hand: CCHR wanted me to think like them. When I said: probably ninety percent of the people in psychiatry doesn't get the right help they corrected me and said: it's a hundred percent. When I said: it's no exact science, they say: it's no science. I worked for them and never got paid, because I did something "good" for our society, but lots of the people I met there were bathing in luxury knowing it's hard for me to have a roof over my head. So at this point I just don't know what to think. Yes, I have a personal bad experience with psychiatry. What happened to me is just not human and I still blame those shrinks, nurses,....for knowing I wasn't schizophrenic but keeping me there and not helping me.
On the other hand extremism is not the answer but I want to find the right balance. Maybe it helps a small percentage of people but I just happened to have met the wrong people.

All of my experiences with psychiatry are bad. Never been locked up for any more than 5 days but it never should have happened to start with. So, 5 days feels like 50 in my mind today. I have zero respect for shrinks, nurses, doctors, hospitals, ER's, judges, courts, and the major reason is because psychiatry taught me how unprofessional all of these people are.

I don't get the extremist talk. The people working in the mental health field are the true extremist.

I'm as extreme as extreme comes about my personal liberty, though I feel forced to be that way, and resent the hospitals for making me do it. Yes, I am an extremist, and I tell them that up front. I tell them that this is political for me, and will not change with all the medications in the world.

I was thinking of forming an inmates' union if they ever somehow manage to get me in there again. If you want to take down one of us, you'll have to take down all of us.

In the end the question remains: what do you do when a person threatens you with a gun because God told him to do so? That's a reason to state that some sort of care is needed, but it shouldn't justify what happened to me. It was so wrong and they know it too.
Before my second stay was extended for six months, a nurse and psychologist told me: you will go home tomorrow, but the shrink wrote down that I had to stay another six months. The next day that nurse and psychologist said: we have never said anything like that.

Mister_J wrote:I've had a bad psychiatric experience. More than ten years ago I was put away twice ( once for forty days, the next year for seven months). In my country they can lock people down without any evidence.
I was around 20-22 at the time. I was a very intelligent and creative kid. I just didn't like going to school and never paid attention to what the teacher said. My father walked out on me when I was 8, my mom started drinking. My father was-is a business man, he wanted me to be like him and couldn't accept it. I wanted to start my own life, making money, but I failed, it was hard to find and mostly to keep a job. I failed so many times. My father found a shrink who put me away. He wrote down that I was a danger to myself and our society which was a lie. I spent forty days at a hospital, was put on zyprexa and turned into a zombie. The atmosphere at the hospital was heartbreaking. From the first moment on, nurses and doctors told me: your dad wanted you to be here so you are very ill. When I told them I didn't agree, they said: believe me you are sick. After 40 days I was diagnosed with autism. I just couldn't believe it. No one believed it and after that stay at the hospital I was disgusted with psychiatry. I quit taking drugs, the first days I felt a bit strange but I felt so much better without drugs.
But this experience turned me into an embittered person. How could this happen to me? How is it possible that they can put people away. The next year, my dad consulted another doctor. He came to my home and put me away again. The main issue was that I didn't want to get helped. I quit taking my zyprexa which made me fail. This time the diagnosis wasn't autism but schizophrenia. On the official papers I also got to read that I cut myself. The craziest thing was: they gave me no drugs at the hospital even though schizophrenia was the official diagnosis.
After six months I was released with the help of someone from CCHR. She knew how psychiatry killed people and my shrink was obviously scared of organisations like CCHR. After my second stay at the hospital I really raged against the system. I was so embittered. I did everything to please CCHR. Helped organising manifestations, exhibitions,....just for free.
Parents taking their kids to shrinks were bad people. Nutrition, water, lifestyle,....could do the trick. When I met people not being interested in antipsychiatry I thought they were bad.

But after ten years I think: my experience with psychiatry is bad, it still has a bad impact on how I function. I tried to go back to school, saw a few psychologists trying to help me with this trauma, but until now nothing has really helped.
On the other hand I was happy there was an organisation acknowledging the problem. Psychiatry can kill people and I must admit: at the hospital I've seen many more people bein stuck than getting the right help.
On the other hand: CCHR wanted me to think like them. When I said: probably ninety percent of the people in psychiatry doesn't get the right help they corrected me and said: it's a hundred percent. When I said: it's no exact science, they say: it's no science. I worked for them and never got paid, because I did something "good" for our society, but lots of the people I met there were bathing in luxury knowing it's hard for me to have a roof over my head. So at this point I just don't know what to think. Yes, I have a personal bad experience with psychiatry. What happened to me is just not human and I still blame those shrinks, nurses,....for knowing I wasn't schizophrenic but keeping me there and not helping me.
On the other hand extremism is not the answer but I want to find the right balance. Maybe it helps a small percentage of people but I just happened to have met the wrong people.

Psychiatrists end lives the way murders, rapists and child molesters can not. It happens to so many people. Your experience is the norm, not the exception. Certainly it was not human. Its actually why the insane get worse, why we have so many of them if its that hard to believe. Id say only 1 in 20 people are actually helped by psychiatry. Psychiatric intuitions aren't always created on the premise to help people, rather profit. Many of these intuitions are run by people who hire arrogant, ignorant, heartless people who are designed to follow set rules that are engineered to rake in money. Every diagnosis, treatment and medication prescribed is a paycheck for someone. Hire a psychiatrist who see everyone as sick coupled with a cold, helpless environment and watch the money rain in. No one every gets better, in fact the become dependent on the system as they get worse. Its a profit model designed around iatrogenic creation, Hype and warehousing.

"Believe me you are sick"... they will do anything to get you to think that because once your mind believes this as reality you are in their greedy hands. It does inflict damage, but to them damage is money.


Anyone who sees how these intuitions run first hand, how they fail, how they mislead, how they think falsely will make them enraged. Stick a normal person any of theses intuitions and they will be talking like any anti psych does.

This is the best documented example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

It clearly shows, that intuitions can not discern between sane and insane. Its still like that today. And that is no accident, because, those who run the system know its money out the door. Every person is profit. It sounds insane, but it is that way.

Mister_J wrote:In the end the question remains: what do you do when a person threatens you with a gun because God told him to do so? That's a reason to state that some sort of care is needed, but it shouldn't justify what happened to me. It was so wrong and they know it too.
Before my second stay was extended for six months, a nurse and psychologist told me: you will go home tomorrow, but the shrink wrote down that I had to stay another six months. The next day that nurse and psychologist said: we have never said anything like that.

They will never tell you what they really will do. If they know its wrong who knows. A lot of these people are psychopaths. Im not kidding when I say that, I really do mean it. Some of these practicing doctors are indeed full blown psychopaths protected by the intuitions that love their 'bussiness' skills.

The sad part is you have learned the irony of how it all works. By them holding you in an abusive environment, it traumatized you. Trauma has long lasting side effects, so much so that you want psychotherapy to over come it. See how that works...? Make the patient sick or sicker so psychiatrists will continue to capitalize. What I just said is the core, the truth of how psychiatry operates. Its a capitalistic machine. They can get away with it simply because once a person is declared ill no one will believe them or simply don't have the means to get out of it. Once declared ill you lose all your rights.


Psychiatrists know those ill often have no money, they know those ill are traumatized, they know those ill are defenseless, they know those ill have no place to turn to. So as a result intuitions and psychiatrists know they are immune from prosecution.

And yes, they do take people who are completely normal and either brainwash them or flat out falsify diagnose an illness that isn't there to create a basis for treatment. They just don't care. Its wrong, sick, twisted, appalling in so many ways . All those who advocate human rights for the ill are doing everyone a favor not just the ill or those labeled ill.

The thing is: I'm 33. I have nothing, tried to find a job by telling lies about what I did when I was at the hospital. In a way I felt forced to lie, some shrinks would say "it's another disorder" but I'm for sure that without that experience I would have had a total different life.
I have no friends, no family anymore. I know I have my talents but due to that experience I have no degree, no professional experience. After so many years, I'm still thinking: how will I get out of here.

I'm seeing a shrink right now. He's a good man. Once a month we talk for an hour and I'm pretty sure that with him by my side it wouldn't have happened. He's an honest man, but most of them aren't honest. Of course he wants to make money too but not in a way that he'd jeopardize people's lives.

In the end, I do understand people say what happened is wrong but no one is ever doing something about it. If I'd just get a damage claim it would make a big difference. Not just for the money, but for knowing what happened is wrong.
After this experience I met a random lawyer. He said: this is medical. Even though you might not be psychotic at this very moment, we can never prove you weren't psychotic when you got locked down. Then I say: okay but they wrote down: schizophrenia. They did admit I got no medication. IF I really suffered from those symptoms, why didn't they do that? It's a big contradiction but in the end, I see people living their lives and I'm a poor, unhappy man trying everything to get out of it, but I haven't found a way out.

Mister_J wrote:In the end the question remains: what do you do when a person threatens you with a gun because God told him to do so?

Well, I don't do what God says because I am naughty, and I also would never threaten anyone with a gun because I barely know which end is which. So theoretically, I should never be in a position to have to take such desperate and final measures to preserve my freedom. But we know that they cast the net a lot wider than that. It takes a lot less than that to be Tasered and dragged away in handcuffs in front of the neighbours.

-- Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:30 pm --

The arbitrary extensions of your stay remind me of One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day_in ... Denisovich

Mister_J wrote:The thing is: I'm 33. I have nothing, tried to find a job by telling lies about what I did when I was at the hospital. In a way I felt forced to lie, some shrinks would say "it's another disorder" but I'm for sure that without that experience I would have had a total different life.
I have no friends, no family anymore. I know I have my talents but due to that experience I have no degree, no professional experience. After so many years, I'm still thinking: how will I get out of here.

I'm seeing a shrink right now. He's a good man. Once a month we talk for an hour and I'm pretty sure that with him by my side it wouldn't have happened. He's an honest man, but most of them aren't honest. Of course he wants to make money too but not in a way that he'd jeopardize people's lives.

In the end, I do understand people say what happened is wrong but no one is ever doing something about it. If I'd just get a damage claim it would make a big difference. Not just for the money, but for knowing what happened is wrong.
After this experience I met a random lawyer. He said: this is medical. Even though you might not be psychotic at this very moment, we can never prove you weren't psychotic when you got locked down. Then I say: okay but they wrote down: schizophrenia. They did admit I got no medication. IF I really suffered from those symptoms, why didn't they do that? It's a big contradiction but in the end, I see people living their lives and I'm a poor, unhappy man trying everything to get out of it, but I haven't found a way out.

There is a difference between those who pay their bills and those who gain wealth at all expenses. If you found a doctor who is helping you that's a good thing. Its a hard task.

I have to agree with the lawyer, its medical. And in theory its defiantly medical malpractice. The unfortunate part (assuming your in the United States or Canada) its very difficult and very expensive to sue a psychiatrist. Even if the finical means existed, proving they did wrong doing is difficult, because no black on white evidence exits. Yes you have the diagnosis, but after that its your word against there's. Even if they are caught in questionable area such as how they filled out your records, they will lie. They will make up crap wriggle out from it. Its as easy as pointing the finger at another doc or the hospital. And they don't mind lieing, because they know proving them wrong is near impossible. Of course if you ever do get the means you could certainly try.

It makes me angry to no end, because so many people are in this situation. Its frustrating because the system is rigged to deafened the intuitions that screw up. Pinning accountability is impossible, after all there is no video or audio evidence during the time of any regular psychiatric care. There are no psychiatric version of Miranda rights either. One of the reasons why Miranda rights exist in law enforcement being bad cops have been caught to lie, coerce ect. And over the years so much has changed to give accused more rights in addition to changing the way evidence is gathered. One of the best advances being camera with audio in police cursors. And while the cameras have caught some accused lying or breaking law, they have also caught police acting out of line. One of many: http://jonathanturley.org/2014/04/18/th ... drug-case/

Point being had it not been for the video the cops lying would have gotten the man in prison. The court would have bought the lies of the trusted police officers... all 5 of them. But the video caught professionals lying to the point the judge had to read the officers' rights. If every psychiatric stay had dis-closable audio and video of every staff interaction this wouldn't be happening. And I can guarantee you so many medical malpractice, human rights violations, assault and abuse cases would be filed and then won. But because everything is covert, hidden behind closed doors abuse of the mentally ill will continue while their own diagnosis will be used against them.


Im sorry this happened. All I can do is being a activist online. That's all I can do. I wish I could fix the system. But more people need to ask for change in order for that to happen.

Your talents are a starting place. My advise is see if you can see this doc more often, and build up upon them. If you dedicate your life toward activism to reform psychiatry that will be a huge accomplishment in itself.

Btw, have you ever taken an IQ test?

Hey thank you for the great post. I really appreciate this. There is an activist in me but at the end of they day it also makes me frustrated probably because it wasn't my dream before. I have a very high IQ and I'm a creative person. I'm good at script writing, being a comedian,....just because of this whole experience, I have no network, no connections, it only isolated me. I even finished a comedy movie script on commercial psychiatry. Hilarious but in a way so very realistic as well.

My doctor can get help me finding a job, but only with the label of being handicapped. Then a boss and your colleagues know you're ill and you can do things at your own pace. I'm pretty sure that will ruin my selfesteem. Of course that's not how my doctor sees me, but it's the system over here once again.

It all happened in the early 00's. At that time patients had no access to the internet. I had "the right" to find my own shrink, to find my own lawyer, but I wasn't allowed to leave a small room. Whenever I asked to make a phonecall, they needed to know: who do you want to contact? and you got a big fat no when you revealed your plans.

On the other hand my neighbour really needs help. She's got 3 private parking spots, one car and she parks her car in front of other people's garage because she enjoys it so much.BUT she has parents taking care of her financially and making her feel like the world is all about her.
Just to show you how it often depends on your network, family,....not about how deranged you are.