Psychoanalysys - Was Freud a Narcissist?

creative_nothing wrote:Is there an appropriate "anti-psychoanalysys" forum?

Or could we start here this thread?

Was Freud a Narcissist?

Because his psychology seens narcissistic. I dont see where empathy or "mirror neurons" plays a role in his psychology.

It is all about super-ego and repression and sex. People learn to behave because morals they were taught at anal stage trought fear of punishment. It is not because they have a innate biological propensity to be sensitive, empathetic and seek approval from others.

"His Id" seeks pleasure not relationships and intimacy as Fairbairn proposed.

I am aware that he was born in late XIX century Austria, but as someone who dedicated his life to psychology, I would expect he had a level of insight similar as Fairbairn. Unless empathy is strange to his own mind.

I am not talking about his biography, but how his psychoanalytic theory itself seens to be a product of a narcissistic mind.

He never brought up mirror neurons but I would imagine that at the time they were not known about

creative_nothing wrote:

He never brought up mirror neurons but I would imagine that at the time they were not known about

Sorry, I didnt mean they were known about. What I mean is that he failed to recognize that children have a innate empathy and a tendency to imitate the parents. "You smile at a baby and they smile back."

I ve been also reflecting know that not only empathy is almost missing in his theory but also fear. I think fear is a main innate force in human psych and it was given almost any attention.

creative_nothing wrote:

He never brought up mirror neurons but I would imagine that at the time they were not known about

Sorry, I didnt mean they were known about. What I mean is that he failed to recognize that children have a innate empathy and a tendency to imitate the parents. "You smile at a baby and they smile back."

I ve been also reflecting know that not only empathy is almost missing in his theory but also fear. I think fear is a main innate force in human psych and it was given almost any attention.

twistednerve wrote:

creative_nothing wrote:

He never brought up mirror neurons but I would imagine that at the time they were not known about

Sorry, I didnt mean they were known about. What I mean is that he failed to recognize that children have a innate empathy and a tendency to imitate the parents. "You smile at a baby and they smile back."

I ve been also reflecting know that not only empathy is almost missing in his theory but also fear. I think fear is a main innate force in human psych and it was given almost any attention.

Freud saw mankind, as whole, as very primal, egotistical, violent (on a more emotional nature), compulsive and reward seeking. Yet, emotionally weak, dependent on others approval and appraisal, pessimistic, etc..

This, obviously, was a mirror of himself.

creative_nothing wrote:
That is what I was talking about.

And he tried to sell his misoginistic view as the latest scientic discovery.

You talked about cluster B. I think he was a narcissist/psychopath.

Not psycopath as ASPD, not narcissist at like someone who tried to compensate for a lack of selfesteem. More the unpricipled narcissist described by Millon. A passive psycopath, a narc with aspd traits, a charlatan, a man without empathy. A man who was above the rules that himself have created when he psychoanalysed his own daughter.

Le Figaro – (English Translation)

Five years after the controversy that erupted when the release of The Black Book of Psychoanalysis, signed by a group of psychiatrists, philosophers and experts in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), accusing Freud of being an impostor who created mythology ascientifique incapable of any clinical outcome, the philosopher Michel Onfray passes in turn to attack. He published a thunderous charge that is at once a kind of psychoanalysis of Freud, a review of discipline and a ruling on the alleged political implications of his thought.

Onfray has almost everything read 6000 pages of the work of Sigmund Freud, including his correspondence with his friend and confidant, the German physician Wilhelm Fliess, published recently in its entirety. In The Twilight of an idol, he portrays the vitriol of the theorist of psychoanalysis. This shows unrecognizable.

The man says Onfray was greedy and cynical, he thought only of becoming famous and, after testing various techniques for treating neurological diseases, including that of hypnosis, he created psychoanalysis. This result not only obtained, which did not stop Freud “pull it off, thanks to his genius for propaganda and intimidation, since, according Onfray, this theory became revered as a religion such. The burden is heavy and thick. But the book is full of facts and accurate statements. He asks questions like this:

- Onfray argues that hagiographers Freudians have covered some aspects of his life, including the fact that Freud claimed to have treated a friend of youth addicted to morphine-Fleischl Marxow, advising him to cocaine injections, which have finished kill. But Freud’s book on cocaine, which evokes this episode would have disappeared from the bibliography of the thinker. Why?

- The correspondence with Fliess, theorist who accused Freud of bisexuality plagiarism, would reveal the character of the utilitarian, which in Vienna, took $ 25 per hour session, or 450 euros today, and felt contempt for patients one day he would have qualified as “scum” just good to advance the understanding of neuroses by making, in passing, live psychoanalysts. What does this mean?

- The first patient of Freud, including the famous “Wolf Man”, Serge Pankejeff, remain incurable. Why did Freud claimed otherwise?

At this point, the reader may rightly wonder why a world fame has fallen to such a character? Why minds such as Thomas Mann and Stefan Zweig, who delivered his eulogy, the so admired? Here qu’Onfray develops his theory and his point weakens. According to Freud, who would have been an incestuous passion for his mother, an aversion to his father and a fondness for his youngest daughter, Anna, have skillfully his neurosis generalized into a universal paradigm through the famous “complex Oedipus.
An “ideologue” of the revolution-cons

The problem Onfray’s book is that it demonstrates that less n’assène. His argument is more hackneyed than it looks. Freud would be perverse of incest everywhere is quite an old refrain. Onfray is undoubtedly right to insist on the fact that the theory of the Oedipus complex, as does the idea of the unconscious, are of intuition, not science. These concepts are they provided unnecessary or ineffective?

Finally, in the latter part of his book, Onfray shows the tip of the nose and betrays what bothers him, basically, Freud. With its dark vision of mankind worked by hatred and rivalry, Freud was not a progressive but conservative. From there to make a homophobe, a misogynist or a racist, there is only one step …

Onfray’s even accused of being an “ideologue” of the cons-revolution, with the Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss and Benito Mussolini in alleged hero! Ideologue, Freud? Perhaps, at times, like everyone else.

Why The Twilight of an idol, inspiring in terms of biographical inquiry, turns out he hit the seal of the bias and the vehemence when it comes to analyzing the inheritance of Freud?

I've had several myself. They want a position where they have power, where they bend rules and reality itself to THEIR OWN beliefs and needs. I've mentioned several times how psychotherapy is crawling with Cluster Bs. I do believe psychotherapy was made for and by Cluster Bs. However, obviously, it doesn't work for them. Their personalities and behavior are globally bad, but it's physical. More so than Axis 1 illnesses. it's a lot like autism, down syndrome, etc., where the organism already forms all crooked and prone to malfunction.
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Go to a psychology class at any university in brazil, you'll see a lot of odd/loser/weird/frustrated people trying to show they're more than they are. It's full of women and gay men, too. I don't think that's cultural. I think "weaker" Cluster Bs are usually women or gay men, due to the excessive female hormones (Cluster Bs are mainly about dysregulated hormones, biologically).