Evidence-based medicine Vs psychiatry

Evidence-based medicine (EBM) is defined as "the conscientious, explicit and judicious use of current best evidence in making decisions about the care of individual patients." Trisha Greenhalgh and Anna Donald define it more specifically as "the use of mathematical estimates of the risk of benefit and harm, derived from high-quality research on population samples, to inform clinical decision-making in the diagnosis, investigation or management of individual patients."

From Wikipedia

Psychiatry’s “treatments” often don’t work. Even the industry shills will admit to that; however, all logic stops there. They will then continue to preach compliance with the same ineffective course of action despite the fact that, the evidence from the past 50 years has shown that the treatments have actually worsened long-term outcomes. There is an epidemic of psychiatric disability. How can this be, if the treatments are so much better that they were in the past? You are better off having a “psychotic” episode in Nigeria than in the U.S. Why? Because third-world countries have better recovery rates for so-called “schizophrenia” than the United States and other industrialized nations that keep their psychiatric patients “maintained” on the drugs. In the United States, one “psychotic” episode will almost always land you in psychiatric wasteland for the rest of your life. It is psychiatry itself that created the “chronicity” in so-called “mental illness”.

From Bipolar Babble

Evidence-based medicine = The use of mathematical estimates of the risk of benefit and harm...

Here is some stuff I found written by others that shows psychiatry is mathematicaly doing more harm than good,

http://www.stopshrinks.org/articles/op- ... -29-03.htm

http://www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room ... stand.html

http://www.oikos.org/biopsychiatry.htm

http://www.oikos.org/childrenritalin.htm

http://www.sntp.net/fda/fda_prozac.htm

http://www.sntp.net/fda/breggin_drug_industry.htm

http://www.madinamerica.com/madinameric ... demic.html

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/pi/ppf/pub-psyc.html

http://www.astraeasweb.net/politics/badpsych.html


http://www.naturalnews.com/011353.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry

http://www.omsj.org/issues/new-reports- ... sych-drugs

http://books.google.ca/books?id=QYrOzq2 ... &q&f=false

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/healt ... .html?_r=1

http://www.sntp.net/null1.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/1 ... 98023.html

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/hea ... 51241236/1

http://www.addictionbyprescription.com/facts.html

http://www.drugawareness.org/recentcase ... fghanistan

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 55,00.html

http://www.antipsychiatry.org/schizoph.htm

-- Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:46 pm --

My wifi keeps dropping out , right now I am trying to looking at these google search results to see what others have written.

http://www.google.com/search?q=evidence+based+medicine+psychiatry

-- Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:50 pm --

I have to quit till the net speeds up

I wonder if part of the rise in rates of people labelled with mental illness is due to as our society requiring ever-increasing intelligence and mental stability for mere daily living.

Example: Anyone here in the USA ever loose your wallet and try to get a new identification card ?

It goes like this,

Citizen: I need help, I lost my identification card.

Govt: We need to see this that and the other identification to get you new identification.

Citizen: No you don't understand, I am here because my identification cards were lost/stolen.

Govt: In that case you need to do like 100 difficult tasks and fill out like a 100 difficult forms... Mail this , go here go there then wait then do a few more things and pay up.

This kind of bull is part of everyday life more and more and more.

Copy_Cat wrote:I wonder if part of the rise in rates of people labelled with mental illness is due to as our society requiring ever-increasing intelligence and mental stability for mere daily living.

Example: Anyone here in the USA ever loose your wallet and try to get a new identification card ?

It goes like this,

Citizen: I need help, I lost my identification card.

Govt: We need to see this that and the other identification to get you new identification.

Citizen: No you don't understand, I am here because my identification cards were lost/stolen.

Govt: In that case you need to do like 100 difficult tasks and fill out like a 100 difficult forms... Mail this , go here go there then wait then do a few more things and pay up.

This kind of bull is part of everyday life more and more and more.

Psychiatry is the only branch of medicine, even science, where doctors can make things up as they go along. Its entirely relative, while life changing decisions are based upon it. That's like going to criminal court without evidence, while the case is made entirely on who can tell a bigger lie. If police made up stories, evidence and could arrest someone just by putting words in their mouth... well I don't think it would work out to well. But psychiatrist can and still do it. They simply have total immunity, and they know that. They use that, especially intuitions and big pharma, to maximize profit. There are no checks and balances, no rights, no evidence, no way for the accused of having a far fight.


Id say the rise in mental illness could be from a more stressful hectic world than 30 years ago, but shrinks sure love to profit from that. Lets not forget normal childhood behavior becoming a cash cow for ADHD. Its not that the world should at least meet the child half way but rather the child should conform to the world all the way. Challenge that notion, or any other where the psychiatrist looks wrong, your further labelled ill. Psychiatrist are nothing more than dictators of the human mind and all experience that happens around that.


I think why some mental patients see life as getting more and more difficult isn't so much the world but the treatment that ruins your ability to adapt to the world correctly. Your ability to self sooth or handle emotions normally goes out the window. Medications alone have so many side effects that its difficult to function when you balloon over a hundred pounds and fall asleep all the time. Withdrawal is another story and lets not forget adverse reactions. Of course, you cant question that, because no matter what its all worth it; so your symptoms (half of which are iatrogenic) can be somehow managed.

Riccola wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:I wonder if part of the rise in rates of people labelled with mental illness is due to as our society requiring ever-increasing intelligence and mental stability for mere daily living.

Example: Anyone here in the USA ever loose your wallet and try to get a new identification card ?

It goes like this,

Citizen: I need help, I lost my identification card.

Govt: We need to see this that and the other identification to get you new identification.

Citizen: No you don't understand, I am here because my identification cards were lost/stolen.

Govt: In that case you need to do like 100 difficult tasks and fill out like a 100 difficult forms... Mail this , go here go there then wait then do a few more things and pay up.

This kind of bull is part of everyday life more and more and more.

Psychiatry is the only branch of medicine, even science, where doctors can make things up as they go along. Its entirely relative, while life changing decisions are based upon it. That's like going to criminal court without evidence, while the case is made entirely on who can tell a bigger lie. If police made up stories, evidence and could arrest someone just by putting words in their mouth... well I don't think it would work out to well. But psychiatrist can and still do it. They simply have total immunity, and they know that. They use that, especially intuitions and big pharma, to maximize profit. There are no checks and balances, no rights, no evidence, no way for the accused of having a far fight.


Id say the rise in mental illness could be from a more stressful hectic world than 30 years ago, but shrinks sure love to profit from that. Lets not forget normal childhood behavior becoming a cash cow for ADHD. Its not that the world should at least meet the child half way but rather the child should conform to the world all the way. Challenge that notion, or any other where the psychiatrist looks wrong, your further labelled ill. Psychiatrist are nothing more than dictators of the human mind and all experience that happens around that.


I think why some mental patients see life as getting more and more difficult isn't so much the world but the treatment that ruins your ability to adapt to the world correctly. Your ability to self sooth or handle emotions normally goes out the window. Medications alone have so many side effects that its difficult to function when you balloon over a hundred pounds and fall asleep all the time. Withdrawal is another story and lets not forget adverse reactions. Of course, you cant question that, because no matter what its all worth it; so your symptoms (half of which are iatrogenic) can be somehow managed.

Psychiatry isn't really made up. the problem is, the diagnostic has to be made by a human, and not some test that has a physical form registered, and then to be interpreted.

However, psychiatric symptoms are obvious. I'm not meaning to brag, but I know how to diagnose people and say what kind of medications work. Only took me 4 years of studying it at home. It's THAT easy.

Psychosis, mania, anxiety, depression - all of the mostly diagnosed ones are easy as crap to spot. And also NOT to.

Psychiatry is nice, but should require some univeral form of validation. Like, every time someone sees a psychiatrists, it gets registered somewhere when, who and why. Also information on diagnosis.

Psychiatrists need "psychiatry police" imo, since when you're in his office/hospital, his judgement calls the shots. And people are peoploe.. they make mistakes or have bad intentions.

Psychiatry WORKS, but has FAR TOO MANY EXPLOITABLE FACETS at it's current system.

twistednerve wrote:

Riccola wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:I wonder if part of the rise in rates of people labelled with mental illness is due to as our society requiring ever-increasing intelligence and mental stability for mere daily living.

Example: Anyone here in the USA ever loose your wallet and try to get a new identification card ?

It goes like this,

Citizen: I need help, I lost my identification card.

Govt: We need to see this that and the other identification to get you new identification.

Citizen: No you don't understand, I am here because my identification cards were lost/stolen.

Govt: In that case you need to do like 100 difficult tasks and fill out like a 100 difficult forms... Mail this , go here go there then wait then do a few more things and pay up.

This kind of bull is part of everyday life more and more and more.

Psychiatry is the only branch of medicine, even science, where doctors can make things up as they go along. Its entirely relative, while life changing decisions are based upon it. That's like going to criminal court without evidence, while the case is made entirely on who can tell a bigger lie. If police made up stories, evidence and could arrest someone just by putting words in their mouth... well I don't think it would work out to well. But psychiatrist can and still do it. They simply have total immunity, and they know that. They use that, especially intuitions and big pharma, to maximize profit. There are no checks and balances, no rights, no evidence, no way for the accused of having a far fight.


Id say the rise in mental illness could be from a more stressful hectic world than 30 years ago, but shrinks sure love to profit from that. Lets not forget normal childhood behavior becoming a cash cow for ADHD. Its not that the world should at least meet the child half way but rather the child should conform to the world all the way. Challenge that notion, or any other where the psychiatrist looks wrong, your further labelled ill. Psychiatrist are nothing more than dictators of the human mind and all experience that happens around that.


I think why some mental patients see life as getting more and more difficult isn't so much the world but the treatment that ruins your ability to adapt to the world correctly. Your ability to self sooth or handle emotions normally goes out the window. Medications alone have so many side effects that its difficult to function when you balloon over a hundred pounds and fall asleep all the time. Withdrawal is another story and lets not forget adverse reactions. Of course, you cant question that, because no matter what its all worth it; so your symptoms (half of which are iatrogenic) can be somehow managed.

Psychiatry isn't really made up. the problem is, the diagnostic has to be made by a human, and not some test that has a physical form registered, and then to be interpreted.

However, psychiatric symptoms are obvious. I'm not meaning to brag, but I know how to diagnose people and say what kind of medications work. Only took me 4 years of studying it at home. It's THAT easy.

Psychosis, mania, anxiety, depression - all of the mostly diagnosed ones are easy as crap to spot. And also NOT to.

Psychiatry is nice, but should require some univeral form of validation. Like, every time someone sees a psychiatrists, it gets registered somewhere when, who and why. Also information on diagnosis.

Psychiatrists need "psychiatry police" imo, since when you're in his office/hospital, his judgement calls the shots. And people are peoploe.. they make mistakes or have bad intentions.

Psychiatry WORKS, but has FAR TOO MANY EXPLOITABLE FACETS at it's current system.

I agree, but psychiatrists exist who force disease on people for profit whether they know it or not. One issue being DSM diagnostic criteria is to loose, so loose a child could make a diagnosis. Problem is that misdiagnosis is likely, or exaggerated. Medications used to treat said disorder have awful side effects, and then you have the shrinks who just put thought after thought into someone's head that has little to do with recovery.