Ungrateful

Tyler77 wrote:Not quite sure I understand. Are you saying this because I said something about genocide?

Nope, it was because I said "just doing my job"

The Nuremberg Defense refers to a legal strategy employed by many of the defendants at the Nuremberg war crimes trials seeking to convict Nazi perpetrators of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed during the Second World War. Many of those defendants claimed that they were not guilty of the charges against them as they were "only following orders." or "just doing my job"

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense

So if anyone is screwing you over because they are "only following orders" and "just doing my job" they are quoting the NAZI's

Tyler77 wrote:There was a guy on here who said that we should blow up hospitals because of the psychiatrists and the psych wards in them. Not sure if that was a troll by some random account, don't know who it was honestly, but someone did say that at one point. It's hard to argue against a place where posts like that are accepted as being non-extremist territory

I agree that kind of extremism wrong,

Hospitals, "psychiatrists" and psych wards never hurt anyone. Hospital is just a building, an object and many psychiatrists speak out against abuses.

Harm is always done by an individual doing the harm, It's always an individual responsible.

I was not mistreated by the hospital or "psychiatrists" I was mistreated by individual people with free will that chose to be abusive "just doing there job" or not, they acted.

I can't find that web page that explains how government's and institutions don't act only individuals do, this is the best I can explain it. It was an "extremest" page with lots of quotes about the NAZI's and "just doing my job" and stuff.

Interesting how often the NAZI's often come up when discussing psychiatry.[/quote]

You are wrong about all of that. The government is the one who makes up laws that allow these people to lock people into facilities. The government is the one who makes up laws that allow them to force needles into your body. The government is made up of a group of individuals that come together to get there way or see there will done it includes doctors and nurses and facilities that choose to engage in such activities. The government is the one that let's these harmful meds hit the market. The mental health field is largely about government and laws not medicine, treatment, or help.

The government allows it, but they don't force people to make those choices.

ashc wrote:I'm very angry with the Anti-psych "movement" . I need meds terribly, but the damn anti-psych/organized STALKING movement has ruined my chances of getting better. I KNOW I need meds, but I fear them like I SHOULD FEAR GOD. It makes me so angry. My palms get so sweaty just thinking about their research psychology. I can't think about meds without thinking about terrorism. I'm angry. Iwant to be aable to function, but all I can do is think about terrorism. I know it gets worse when I think about taking meds to function. They did this intentionally to get me off meds. It's unfair , because I can't move forward. I despise extremists including anti-psych extremists.


Oh, wait. My second mind is telling me something: Dear, you hate the environmental extremists.

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1013 victim wrote:You are wrong about all of that. The government is the one who makes up laws that allow these people to lock people into facilities. The government is the one who makes up laws that allow them to force needles into your body. The government is made up of a group of individuals that come together to get there way or see there will done it includes doctors and nurses and facilities that choose to engage in such activities. The government is the one that let's these harmful meds hit the market. The mental health field is largely about government and laws not medicine, treatment, or help.

Report #TL07A: THE ANATOMY OF SLAVESPEAK

A terrocrat is always an individual human being.

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07a.shtml

People are getting fed up with the government, I see their increased frustration and anger growing in things like youtube videos and comment's and comments on news stories.

Havoctoria wrote:The government allows it, but they don't force people to make those choices.

They allow and promote it. They are the ones billed for forced treatment. You can't lock people away in facilities or force treat without using the governments laws. Doctors have a huge presence in politics which help get laws passed. Forced treatment is a direct result of advocates, politicians, and lawmakers any of those people can be part of government and even the person forcing you into these facilities and sticking you with needles.

1013 victim wrote:You can't lock people away in facilities or force treat without using the governments laws.

...and your own free will.

That's all I said.

Havoctoria wrote:

1013 victim wrote:You can't lock people away in facilities or force treat without using the governments laws.

...and your own free will.

That's all I said.

I don't get your point. You say the government allows it but they don't force people to make those decisions.

Are you saying that just because the government does not force the individual doctors or hospitals to make the decision to force you into there facilities that they deserve less of the blame?

The government knows that these facilities and there employees are not using truly professional tools to make these decisions. Thus, they should have never made such laws and should abolish them. The government should wipe there hands of the mental health field and stop paying for forced visits because the field lacks professionalism and adequate proof that they can consistently diagnosis people correctly.

The government deserves more blame than the mental health field when it comes to forced treatment of any kind.

1013 victim wrote:Are you saying that just because the government does not force the individual doctors or hospitals to make the decision to force you into there facilities that they deserve less of the blame?

I didn't say anything like this. They deserve blame for the fact that these things are able to happen in the first place, but each and every last individual on the planet is 100% responsible for their own actions. I don't care who you are or who gave you permission to do what. You do not deserve leniency & you do not get to share the blame for things that you had ultimate control over (your actions).

1013 victim wrote:The government deserves more blame than the mental health field when it comes to forced treatment of any kind.

Except for the choices of those who aren't "the government". Nobody is ever to blame/more to blame for any individual's actions than the individual themselves.

My point is that every human being is solely & completely to blame for their own actions.

Yes. Every one of them could, at any time, have said to themselves, "this is monstrous, what am I a part of?" But they didn't, and that's why they are condemned.