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I don't know how serious the OP is but it is quite obvious that we are not the extremist. The extremist are in the mental health field and the government.

People in the mental health field lie and exaggerate there knowledge of what is going on in the next persons mind to force medicine on people and hold them in facilities. People in the government, law making, and law enforcement make up laws to lock people up in facilities against there will and uproot there lives with no real proof that the person has a mental illness. How more extreme can you get than arresting people and placing them in facilities against there will based on your opinion? How more extreme can you get than making your opinions enforceable through law? All of this is done with no real facts. It is also unconstitutional which is another characteristic of extremist. They ignore every rule or law other than the ones they care about because they are self centered beings that don't care about others.

1013 victim wrote:I don't know how serious the OP is but it is quite obvious that we are not the extremist.

There was a guy on here who said that we should blow up hospitals because of the psychiatrists and the psych wards in them. Not sure if that was a troll by some random account, don't know who it was honestly, but someone did say that at one point. It's hard to argue against a place where posts like that are accepted as being non-extremist territory.

EDIT: Eighth post in anti-psych/topic135786.html
Saying "I wouldn't have a problem if someone blew up a place where they lock people up," is extreme, because the person who did this, no matter why, would be killing innocents. Hospitals help people. Hospitals are were NEW BORN BABIES ARE BORN AND KEPT! By blowing up a hospital, you'd be killing hundreds of innocent people, from new born babies to elderly patients who can't live on their own. The person who said that posted it in the anti-psych forum, and specifically mentioned "a place where people are locked up", so therefore, that would be the reason behind blowing it up. To spread the message of "Don't lock people up, it's wrong!" There's a word for that. Terrorism.

Thank you for pointing out that thread Tyler. It must have been one that I missed during an away period. In the future, if anyone sees a thread they are uncomfortable with or believe is against the forum rules please report it by hitting the triangle button with the ! in the top right corner of the post you are concerned with. This will alert the other moderators to the questionable post so that it can be dealt with.

I have locked that thread. Let's not continue with further discussion on that topic here.

1013 victim wrote:I don't know how serious the OP is but it is quite obvious that we are not the extremist. The extremist are in the mental health field and the government.

People in the mental health field lie and exaggerate there knowledge of what is going on in the next persons mind to force medicine on people and hold them in facilities. People in the government, law making, and law enforcement make up laws to lock people up in facilities against there will and uproot there lives with no real proof that the person has a mental illness. How more extreme can you get than arresting people and placing them in facilities against there will based on your opinion? How more extreme can you get than making your opinions enforceable through law? All of this is done with no real facts. It is also unconstitutional which is another characteristic of extremist. They ignore every rule or law other than the ones they care about because they are self centered beings that don't care about others.

At least in police custody you are read your rights while given the option to have an attorney of your choosing represent you. Around psychiatrists you have no rights and are subject as they please. They can say anything, play with your mind, plant evidence on you (falsified findings), declare you are incompetent, withholding freedom without a law being violated on both parts, you name it they can do it. Police go by evidence and sworn statements, and in court your under oath. Nothing like this holds true in psychiatry, where its a dictatorship. Arrogant individuals functioning as dictators where inalienable human rights mean nothing to them.


Psychiatry needs something like this:

Tyler77 wrote:

1013 victim wrote:I don't know how serious the OP is but it is quite obvious that we are not the extremist.

There was a guy on here who said that we should blow up hospitals because of the psychiatrists and the psych wards in them. Not sure if that was a troll by some random account, don't know who it was honestly, but someone did say that at one point. It's hard to argue against a place where posts like that are accepted as being non-extremist territory.

EDIT: Eighth post in anti-psych/topic135786.html
Saying "I wouldn't have a problem if someone blew up a place where they lock people up," is extreme, because the person who did this, no matter why, would be killing innocents. Hospitals help people. Hospitals are were NEW BORN BABIES ARE BORN AND KEPT! By blowing up a hospital, you'd be killing hundreds of innocent people, from new born babies to elderly patients who can't live on their own. The person who said that posted it in the anti-psych forum, and specifically mentioned "a place where people are locked up", so therefore, that would be the reason behind blowing it up. To spread the message of "Don't lock people up, it's wrong!" There's a word for that. Terrorism.

You have to fight extreme behavior with extreme behavior. The government claimed Bin Laden bombed America so they decided to go out to kill and be killed while engaging in a war. Why because they are extreme beings themselves that understand you have to fight extreme behavior with extreme behavior. So, I still don't have a problem with that statement today. Your just an extreme minded being that wants everything your way even when the facts and proofs show you have nothing to stand on.

1013 victim wrote:. Your just an extreme minded being that wants everything your way even when the facts and proofs show you have nothing to stand on.

Lol, cause you can always pull that off of a single post, right? Also, it's nice to know that you have no argument to the point you have to resort to cheesy insults.

But about the rest of the stuff you said. Comparing psychiatrists, who many people find very helpful, to a man that was responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people is laughable at best. I mean, really? Really? You're going to compared the largest terrorist attack in American history BY FAR, to people who prescribe medicine for people? That's the worst argument I've ever heard in my entire life, and I went through two courses of high school debate.

Sure, I agree, Risperdal, Haldol, Seroquel, Xanax, all bad, should be taken off the market. But many people like off of other medications that psychiatrists prescribe. You seem to throw bad experiences that you've had or have heard of and assume that's what all psychiatrists are like. They're not. That's called a rash generalization. This is why we have had genocides in the world. But let me guess, a genocide of psychiatrists wouldn't be a bad thing, because we have to, as you say, "fight extreme with extreme"? That's like a battle to see who has the biggest reproductive organ. It's just silly.

Also, I was starting an argument, just pointing out that there are people who post here that can be extreme at times. You're the hostile one, not me.

1013 victim wrote:I don't know how serious the OP is but it is quite obvious that we are not the extremist. The extremist are in the mental health field and the government.

All this talk of extremism just reminds me of this below for some reason,

The eminent theologian C. S. Lewis wrote:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult...

To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

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That's heavy stuff but it fits. All my bad experiences inpatient I walked freely into with wicked anxiety insomnia can't eat after failed attempts to treat psych med withdrawals with alcohol. I would drink hoping to get through the anxiety to avoid the hospital. I was messed up for a long time. I wasn't brought in for doing crazy sh^t.

Extremism is telling me that if I refuse to be unnecessarily medicated into zombie anhedonia oblivion with pills, violence was going to be used against me, that's extremism.

Take these pills you don't like or be forcefully injected = threats of violence= extreme

WTF did I do to be treated like that ? Sorry I went to you people after falling for your marketing fraud that said "insomnia is a symptom of depression" and believing that BIG FAT LIE that I had a serotonin deficiency ! Sorry for being STUPID and trusting "doctors" .

How in the world was I supposed to know psychiatry is mountain of lies and to not trust it ?

I knew nothing at all about any of this.

Doctors and scientists were people I respected and when they basically said I had a "serotonin deficiency" chemical balance problem I believed it. I didn't know it was all FRAUD ! No one told me the risks of treatment. No one told me I would be treated like a sub human behind a locked door if the first treatments made me sick or that they even COULD make me sick, no one told me.

Tyler77 wrote:There was a guy on here who said that we should blow up hospitals because of the psychiatrists and the psych wards in them. Not sure if that was a troll by some random account, don't know who it was honestly, but someone did say that at one point. It's hard to argue against a place where posts like that are accepted as being non-extremist territory

I agree that kind of extremism wrong,

Hospitals, "psychiatrists" and psych wards never hurt anyone. Hospital is just a building, an object and many psychiatrists speak out against abuses.

Harm is always done by an individual doing the harm, It's always an individual responsible.

I was not mistreated by the hospital or "psychiatrists" I was mistreated by individual people with free will that chose to be abusive "just doing there job" or not, they acted.

I can't find that web page that explains how government's and institutions don't act only individuals do, this is the best I can explain it. It was an "extremest" page with lots of quotes about the NAZI's and "just doing my job" and stuff.

Interesting how often the NAZI's often come up when discussing psychiatry.

Copy_Cat wrote:
Interesting how often the NAZI's often come up when discussing psychiatry.

Not quite sure I understand. Are you saying this because I said something about genocide? I mean, yeah, sure, the Nazi party killed a lot of people in a massive genocide, but there have been more genocides than that. Technically speaking, 9/11 was a genocide too.

Tyler77 wrote:Also, I was starting an argument, just pointing out that there are people who post here that can be extreme at times. You're the hostile one, not me.

Was NOT staring an argument. God, Tyler, get your crap together, man.