How easy is it for psychiatrists to force drug?

In my state the legislature just passed a new law that will probably make it easier to force drugs on patients. The shrinks have been complaining for years that it can take as long as 90 days to get an order to force drug someone. In 2010 and 2012 activists defeated proposed bills. I remember one that would have the forced drugging hearing at the same time as the commitment hearing. That was ridiculous. No one would win a forced drugging hearing like that. But this year they came back with another bill and got it passed. They even had a bunch of people who had been force drugged testify - and not one of them was in favor of the bill. But they still passed it. Basically the bill allows them to file for forced drugging before a person has even been committed. I bet forced drugging hearings end up getting scheduled before people even have commitment hearings.

I remember when I was locked up for an evaluation it was for 90 days. Much later when I was able to see my chart I saw the shrink wanted to apply for forced drugging with antipsychotics (even though I wasn't psychotic) in the first few weeks. Before my 90 days was up I got transferred to another ward and got another shrink. I convinced her to do her own evaluation before applying for forced drugging. That took some time. She was an idiot though so she decided to apply for the forced drugging. That hearing finally happened about 10 months after I was first sent to the psych hospital. That delay helped me win. I was able to find another patient who testified that his forced drugging didn't help him at all. I was able to prove I could function in a job at the hospital's cafe in that time. The state appealed and that took another year. I won and was then discharged with no conditions. I never had to take antipsychotics.

The way the law is now I almost certainly would have lost and been force drugged on day 91 just after I was committed to the hospital. The shrinks want to go back to the old days. I remember reading in the old days they didn't have to get any court order to do anything they wanted to a committed person. What are other peoples experiences with the forced drugging process? Do they have to have a separate hearing from a commitment where you are? How long does it take?

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Copy_Cat, let's stick to the topic at hand and not advertise and have our own agenda's huh?

Parador wrote:What are other peoples experiences with the forced drugging process? Do they have to have a separate hearing from a commitment where you are? How long does it take?

Where I'm from, I'm pretty sure there are two different hearings. I know I have been involuntarily committed and that was one hearing. If they wanted to force drug me that would have to be after an observation period which would then be another hearing after that. The scary thing in my state is that the process goes sort of like this:

1. You get involuntarily admitted
2. You have 72 hours to have a court hearing to determine if you have to stay and how long (this can be up to 5 years )
3. If the hospital wants to discharge you before your commitment is up you can have a conditional discharge hearing which means that in order to leave the hospital you must AGREE to certain conditions (including adhering to medications, seeing psychiatrist and who knows what else they desire to put in there)
4. If you don't do these things you automatically get placed back into the hospital. There is no court hearing. You're ###$ until you comply.

I'm not sure how it exactly happens in Pennsylvania, but I do know, that with my one lockup, if you didn't take your medicine, they probably wouldn't have let you out (unless you signed the the whole "get out in three days" release thing). They also, while not forcing, encouraged you heavily to go to group therapy session while in the ward. I didn't go to the first few while I was there (mainly because I didn't know how things worked there quite yet). But I would be interested to find out how PA does that kind of stuff :3

Cheze2 wrote:Copy_Cat, let's stick to the topic at hand and not advertise and have our own agenda's huh?

Parador wrote:What are other peoples experiences with the forced drugging process? Do they have to have a separate hearing from a commitment where you are? How long does it take?

Where I'm from, I'm pretty sure there are two different hearings. I know I have been involuntarily committed and that was one hearing. If they wanted to force drug me that would have to be after an observation period which would then be another hearing after that. The scary thing in my state is that the process goes sort of like this:

1. You get involuntarily admitted
2. You have 72 hours to have a court hearing to determine if you have to stay and how long (this can be up to 5 years )
3. If the hospital wants to discharge you before your commitment is up you can have a conditional discharge hearing which means that in order to leave the hospital you must AGREE to certain conditions (including adhering to medications, seeing psychiatrist and who knows what else they desire to put in there)
4. If you don't do these things you automatically get placed back into the hospital. There is no court hearing. You're ###$ until you comply.

5 year committments? That's brutal. Here we get a judicial review every year. The initial committment is 6 months. Although you have to add on the 90 day observation if you get into the system the way I did though the criminal counts - I had a misdemeanor simple assault charge. (Taking a swing at a child molester.) Then after the 6 month committment they can recommit you for a year. After that it's a yearly review.

Cheze2 wrote:Copy_Cat, let's stick to the topic at hand and not advertise and have our own agenda's huh?

Advertise ? People looking for info on how to force drug a "loved one" are going to find the NAMI site long before this thread. NAMI can answer questions posted on this thread.

Parador wrote:What are other peoples experiences with the forced drugging process?

The hearing I got to extend my stay was in back room in the hospital and I did not get a jury before the took my right to liberty the way the United States Bill of Rights says is the law of the land.

The best thing when dealing with unwanted psychiatry is the same as with dealing with unwanted police attention. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.

Inpatient psychiatry is jail, period. You are being held as a mental health offender. I would have been much better off if all I said was I don't wish to take part in drug treatment, refused 'meds' and kept my mouth shout, 100% closed. Calling them out on their lack of science and medical tests calling their treatment barbaric and pill rape only resulted in my behavior being charted as "speech is rapid" and used a evidence I "needed" more of their so called "treatment".

Q . How easy is it for psychiatrists to force drug?

A. As easy as you make it for them.

It is difficult not to want to fight with them over the mistreatment and keep quite, the general public gets all in a tiff over going through airport security, the feel "violated". To them I say try getting strip searched and told by clueless quacks you need to put chemical toxins in your body or you may be injected by force and sent to the state hospital. and keep quite

Try having a history of sexual abuse and get strip searched, told to squat and cough, in a time of crisis by a stranger who's job includes locking you up for the quacks. Try having your reaction to all this labelled "mental illness" and used as evidence you need more mistreatment. and keep quite

I was in the hospital I "needed" the treatment , right ? No I went voluntarily for a little help after a nervous breakdown from and combined with to much drinking alcohol. I did not get help, I got abused and traumatized.

None of the unwanted medication was for alcohol withdrawal or anything else medical or had any medical value whatsoever it was for what ever so called "illness" they can't find with medical tests arbitrarily picked out of there DSM billing bible used to charge the insurance company.

Let the thread go on, I am done.

Copy_Cat wrote:Inpatient psychiatry is jail, period. .

I disagree entirely. I went in half willingly, half forced, but I still had rights. In jail, you don't get to play a Nintendo video game system. In jail, you don't get top class food by a professional chef. In jail, you don't get to have group therapy sessions where you are supported by your peers and by a social worker. In jail, you're confined to a small cell. While I was there, I had a large area to roam. You have noting to do in jail. I had movies, music, exercise equipment, arts & crafts, yoga, relaxation tapes, a radio, cable television, soda, and I was treated with a lot of respect and like I was no different than anyone else. Sure, I doubt in jail that I'd ever have someone smear feces all over my room/cell, but that man had a lot of problems.

I'm sorry you've had (a) bad experience(s), but they're not all like that. I can guarantee there are some like that, but to act like they're all like that is illogical. I've never been to every psych ward, mental hospital, or wherever else they lock people up at, so maybe I got lucky. Maybe mine was the sole good one. I don't know. But it's not jail, at all.

Tyler77 wrote:

Copy_Cat wrote:Inpatient psychiatry is jail, period. .

Tyler77 wrote:I disagree entirely

Anyplace I am in with locked doors I can't open is a jail by definition, but it was the coercive drugging I had a problem with. The locked doors were outside my body, so what, coerced drugs go inside my body, the difference is monumental. My body is the only thing I truly own and anyone who violates it's boundaries using coecion / force to put stuff inside that affects my thinking, heart rate, and respiration ect against my wishes is a rapist.

One of the meds coerced my way had a possible side effect of "death" and I didn't want it.

Real doctors heal and save lives and believe in "at first do no harm" but psychiatry is different.

I am glad your treatment went alright, maybe they are starting to hear us and are slowly cleaning up their act.

Tyler77 wrote:but they're not all like that.

I know but none of them should be like that and until psychiatry recognizes the human rights given to every man woman and child by God, I don't see any reason to let up even one tiny little bit on exposing their fraudulent marketing and abusive treatments. I don't care if they help some people.

This is the face of psychiatry, Part 1: Children reveal painful memories of neglect, heavy duty drug treatments. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/foster-kids-prescribed-psychotropic-drugs-heavy-duty-drug-treatments-neglect-2020-15077792

Type to you later Tyler, Im out.