School shooting Reynolds HS in Troutdale Ore , SSRI's ?

Copy_Cat wrote:

Exiled. wrote:medication

What about the word "medications?" Does it ease your mind by conjuring up images of some benign cough syrup prescribed by a kindly family doctor? Nothing could be further from the truth. Psychiatric medications are very powerful mind altering drugs .

The released the name of the shooter Jared Michael Padgett but as usual the TV news can't ask about psychiatric drug use wile playing ads for anti depressants including the side effects of suicidal behavior in children.

Pharmaceutical companies spent $4.8 billion in 2009, surpassing consumer promotion for nonprescription products of $3 billion that year, the researchers said. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140455.htm

The question remains was Jared Michael Padgett on psychiatric drugs ?

Exiled. wrote:Looking back, those thoughts were probably a withdrawal symptom from the medication I was taking. But I did what I was supposed to do. I went to the ER and spelled out what was going on in my head.

I did the ER thing when I was still screwed up by psych drugs but I learned to stop and get some vodka or baileys Irish Cream liqueur and drink down enough to get through the stupid get in the gown and sit in "observation" (isolation) for hours alone, freedom removed, with no cigarettes just hoping for a Xanax or IV Ativan to make it go away and not a trip up to psych for an unknown period of lockup and coerced nueroleptic lobotomy drugs called help.

I also had the angry suicidal reaction once , I wasn't going to do it myself but I was fine with the cops doing it and that pissed them off, I got tasered. Reckless doctor had me on six different Rx drugs, I was so stupid back then, I believed psychiatry was 'medical' and that SOB knew what he was doing. Nothing in life taught me to beware of doctors at that point. I can't remember exactly what I was on but I spent years sick withdrawing from one pill wile having bad reactions to another and all the wile that quack ... SOB but that's what happened.

This video was meant as humor but it names most of the drugs I was on and they way I got on them http://youtu.be/2UnJ4H8JLmM Insomnia is a symptom of depression... SSRIs (Serzone) like with most people were my gateway drug into psychiatric wasteland, then Clonopin... then Zyprexa samples for sleep than an RX, then I am ADD and Amphetamines go in the mix ...

I can't prove it, no I can't, but I know many of these shooters on psych meds were screwed up by psychiatry just like I was, this pill and that pill all mixed up coming off this one going on that one thoughts and emotions all screwed up in all the unpredictable ways these drugs effect people in all their different combinations depending on what drug rep was most convincing that week or took the doctor golfing.

I like this this the 2012 music video for S.S.R.Lies, a song about kids and psych drugs http://youtu.be/8ByIPNNO-Fw

twistednerve wrote:But psychiatry isn't ALL BAD, it helps a lot of people.

twistednerve wrote:If guns were as easy to get in my country, as they are in the US, there would be a school shooting in Brazil every 3 hours. I'm not actually joking.

Exiled. wrote:

twistednerve wrote:If guns were as easy to get in my country, as they are in the US, there would be a school shooting in Brazil every 3 hours. I'm not actually joking.

Just read that the actual rate of it happening in the US is once a week since 2012. Sad.

Riccola wrote:

Exiled. wrote:

twistednerve wrote:If guns were as easy to get in my country, as they are in the US, there would be a school shooting in Brazil every 3 hours. I'm not actually joking.

Just read that the actual rate of it happening in the US is once a week since 2012. Sad.

Its these numbers that say psychiatry is failing the US. If psychiatry actually worked like they say it did theses numbers would be close to zero. I mean how do so many people become this way? Ok, lets say they are this way, then how can so many professionals miss it? Do they just not care or are they all this incompetent? Guns are taking all the blame, but for so many people to go undetected by mental health care is a real horror. Nobody can say that the majority of these shooters never went through the system because they did. Nearly all of them saw psychiatrist frequently and nearly all were on meds. Yet somehow the treatment failed them, or more like failed the general public. To bad psychiatry will never take the blame or any possible dangers these meds have.

Exiled. wrote:But to say it's psychiatry's fault the numbers are high in the US is to say that psychiatry is working outside the US. Is that your take?

By 2004 because of lawsuits that forced pharmaceutical companies to disclose data on adverse effects, the FDA ordered antidepressant manufacturers to include a warning that antidepressants “increased the risk compared to placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children, adolescents, and young adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders.”

A website maintained by the National Institutes of Health states that trazodone and other antidepressants have been associated with “new or worsening depression; thinking about harming or killing yourself, or planning or trying to do so; extreme worry; agitation; panic attacks; difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep; aggressive behavior; irritability; acting without thinking; severe restlessness; and frenzied abnormal excitement.”

Another study involving more than 9,000 subjects taking the antidepressant paroxetine (Paxil) for depression and other disorders showed that subjects experienced more than twice as many “hostility events” as subjects taking a placebo. Healy added: “I have had clinical experience of at least one older man, with no prior history of violence, who became homicidal after a week on citalopram where the problem cleared up once treatment had stopped.”

Exiled. wrote:

But to say it's psychiatry's fault the numbers are high in the US is to say that psychiatry is working outside the US. Is that your take?

Riccola wrote:Other countries have nothing to do with this.

Riccola wrote:Perfect example: James Holmes psychiatrist knew was dangerous. She reported it, but when they asked her if he should be hospitalized she said "no". She had all the power to force a involuntary hospitalization but didn't. It was her incompetence that cost lives.

Riccola wrote:Mass killers dont just snap or wake up evil. The warning signs are present for years. Its psychiatrists who fail to stop them along with the system. People who are fixated with violent delusional will try to act out their fantasies no matter what, with any way or anything they can find. It has been well documented. The only way to stop these people is via the mental health care system which by the looks of it in the last couple of years has failed miserably at it. Obviously they arent getting better, and certainly aren't being taken in for treatment when they should.