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The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:09 pm

Can anyone think of a reason given what they have done in the last hundred years up to today ?

http://www.naturalnews.com/039560_psychiatry_real_history_school_shootings.html

Check this out , testing Paxil on seven year olds

It has been established that Paxil can cause suicidal thoughts in children and teens, but the company that brought us Paxil, Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK), is conducting another study of the antidepressant in Japan. As the study’s primary focus is the efficacy of the drug, not why it causes suicidal thoughts, critics suggest that this may be a ploy to create an opportunity for good publicity should the result be favorable, or to brush the study aside as old news should the results be negative.

Read the full article here: http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10008290/glaxo-is-testing-paxil-on-7-year-olds-despite-well-known-suicide-risks/

Nothing is too low and dirty for these people, they are the true scum of the earth.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Tyler » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:35 pm

What it didn't say, however, was where this trial was being conducted. Are these kids under supervision 24/7? How did these kids get picked? Did they volunteer? I doubt highly that they could just pick random kids and say "here, take this!" These kids would almost have to be under supervision while they're apart of this trial run. Also, I doubt young kids volunteer themselves. The parents probably volunteered them. If the parents were too stupid to do the research on the medication, and yet, allowed their child to enter this trial, that's not the fault of the pharmaceutical company, that's the fault of the parents. Also, for an article on a website entitled "money watch", they sure as hell don't know how business works. This article comes off as it was done by an angsty 13 year old. I didn't bother clicking the first link, by the way. Now, also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't ALL anti-depressants make people suicidal at first? Not everyone of course, but it's a known side effect for all of them, or darn near all of them. Zoloft is something I see commercials for everyday. I know a lot of people on Zoloft that get a lot of help from it. I was put on Zoloft, and the very first day got close to killing myself. Same with Xanax. Does GSK make those medications too? The fact that they're attacking a single medication because it makes kids kill themselves, when literally nearly every other drug that is meant to do the exact same thing in kids, teens, and young adults, is disgusting. CBS is a joke of a news outlet. It always has been. It's right up there with FOX. If you feel strongly about these companies getting attacked for this is good, then attack all of them, not just one. There's nothing wrong with hating these people, don't get that image. Also, if these kids are being forced to do this, which I know they're not, then yes, I'm with you, 100%.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:03 pm

There is no reason ever to give nasty Paxil to a seven year old but they don't care if it makes them money.

Pharma scum they will not say this to the child: “We know it’s really hard and even dangerous for a lot of people to get off our Paxil, especially after they’ve been on it a while—sometimes a very short while.”

Nor this: “We know that although tons of people stop taking Paxil almost immediately because they feel horrible on it and or get very sick, we’re very willing to take this risk with you.”

Nor this: “A lot of credible research from within our own ranks has pointed out that this Paxil really is poisonous. If you eat it, and keep eating it, not only are you less likely to work through your problems and come out the other side but you are likely to live many years less than if you don’t eat it — and are likely to get all sorts of nasty side effects, including brain damage, along the way.”

Nor this: "That the drug treatment may cause severe pain or discomfort, worsen the existing problem significantly, or even damage you permanently."

Mommy do I have to be a lab rat for the pharmaceutical industry ? I am seven years old and just starting life.

-- Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:11 pm --

Tyler77 wrote:Zoloft is something I see commercials for everyday


February 2, 2013

A lawsuit filed Wednesday in San Jose, California seeks federal approval for two class-action lawsuits representing all U.S. users of the antidepressant Zoloft, accusing Pfizer of possessing research demonstrating Zoloft’s inefficacy over placebo and “deliberately withholding this information from consumers and then advertising this drug as very effective.”

http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/02/pfizer-sued-for-zolofts-failure-to-beat-placebo/


http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/pdf/zoloft-class-action-efficacy-lawsuit.pdf

You can not trust anything these scum say.

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They do not care about you at all.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Tyler » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:29 pm

Copy_Cat wrote:There is no reason ever to give nasty Paxil to a seven year old but they don't care if it makes them money.

Pharma scum they will not say this to the child: “We know it’s really hard and even dangerous for a lot of people to get off our Paxil, especially after they’ve been on it a while—sometimes a very short while.”

Nor this: “We know that although tons of people stop taking Paxil almost immediately because they feel horrible on it and or get very sick, we’re very willing to take this risk with you.”

Nor this: “A lot of credible research from within our own ranks has pointed out that this Paxil really is poisonous. If you eat it, and keep eating it, not only are you less likely to work through your problems and come out the other side but you are likely to live many years less than if you don’t eat it — and are likely to get all sorts of nasty side effects, including brain damage, along the way.”

Nor this: "That the drug treatment may cause severe pain or discomfort, worsen the existing problem significantly, or even damage you permanently."


How do you know? You act as if all these companies are the exact same. So what, there's one bad company out there. That's like getting robbed by an Asian man and saying all Asians are evil. Does this company have a history of bad faith cases or something? What specifically makes you think this company will not say these things, and instead, be the stereotypical "Evil Empire" that you like to assume all pharmaceutical companies are. Really, personal attacks on these companies don't do anything to prove your point.

Copy_Cat wrote:Mommy do I have to be a lab rat for the pharmaceutical industry ? I am seven years old and just starting life.


Bravo! Bravo! Goodness gracious I haven't laughed so hard in a while. I mean really, we all know a seven year old is going to say this, come on, man.

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Tyler77 wrote:Zoloft is something I see commercials for everyday


February 2, 2013

A lawsuit filed Wednesday in San Jose, California seeks federal approval for two class-action lawsuits representing all U.S. users of the antidepressant Zoloft, accusing Pfizer of possessing research demonstrating Zoloft’s inefficacy over placebo and “deliberately withholding this information from consumers and then advertising this drug as very effective.”

http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/02/pfizer-sued-for-zolofts-failure-to-beat-placebo/


You can not trust anything these scum say.

-- Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:13 pm --

They do not care about you at all.


Fair point. Maybe they were doing that. But don't forget the motto: "Innocent until proven guilty". Again, you're acting like they're so evil, just because they're a pharmaceutical company. Let me ask, you say "They don't care about you at all," but really, how many big corporations really do? I mean, if you're attacking corporate America, I'll be behind you 110%. Down with the big companies! Down with Wal-Mart, down with McDonalds! Down with them all! But, alas, you're not. You're just acting a pharmaceutical company, for the simple fact that they're a pharmaceutical company.

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I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just asking for some evidence behind these claims.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:37 pm

Tyler77 wrote:How do you know? You act as if all these companies are the exact same.


Here is a few examples

Eli Lilly's Multi Billion dollar Crime http://www.zyprexa-victims.com/

http://seroxatsecrets.wordpress.com/category/zyprexa/


Johnson & Johnson and its subsidiaries will pay more than $2.2 billion – one of the largest health-care fraud settlements in history – to settle criminal and civil liabilities arising from marketing of Risperdal and its injectable version, Invega, for uses not approved by the FDA. J&J admitted to inappropriate promotion of Risperdal to treat elderly, non-schizophrenic patients for symptoms such as anxiety, agitation, depression, hostility and confusion. ”The conduct at issue in this case jeopardized the health and safety of patients and damaged the public trust,” said Attorney General Eric Holder.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/health-exchange/2013/11/04/jj-to-pay-2-billion-fine-to-settle-probe-into-antipsychotic-drug/?mod=MW_latest_news


A Philadelphia jury yesterday ordered Johnson & Johnson subsidiary Janssen to pay $11 million to the parents of a five-year-old boy for failure to warn doctors of potential birth defects associated with its epilepsy drug Topamax. “Janssen knew about Topamax’s serious risk of causing birth defects years before these mothers were prescribed the drug, but did not advise physicians of those risks,”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-18/j-j-s-janssen-loses-11-million-jury-verdict-over-topamax.html%3Fcmpid=yhoo

Every company every psychiatric drug same criminal behavior.

No exceptions.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:47 pm

Why does this criminal behavior rarely make T.V news ? Because after reporting the event, taking station breaks for advertisements for antidepressants and sedatives might give big media editors and producers indigestion, since their very existence depends on Pharma sponsorship.

-- Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:54 pm --

Big Bucks, Big Pharma pulls back the curtain on the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry to expose the insidious ways that illness is used, manipulated, and in some instances created, for capital gain.

Everyone should watch this video before they "ask their doctor" one doctor in the video talks about all the people who do exactly that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_--xnJVC2AU
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Tyler » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:00 pm

Copy_Cat wrote:
Tyler77 wrote:How do you know? You act as if all these companies are the exact same.


Here is a few examples

Eli Lilly's Multi Billion dollar Crime http://www.zyprexa-victims.com/

http://seroxatsecrets.wordpress.com/category/zyprexa/


Johnson & Johnson and its subsidiaries will pay more than $2.2 billion – one of the largest health-care fraud settlements in history – to settle criminal and civil liabilities arising from marketing of Risperdal and its injectable version, Invega, for uses not approved by the FDA. J&J admitted to inappropriate promotion of Risperdal to treat elderly, non-schizophrenic patients for symptoms such as anxiety, agitation, depression, hostility and confusion. ”The conduct at issue in this case jeopardized the health and safety of patients and damaged the public trust,” said Attorney General Eric Holder.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/health-exchange/2013/11/04/jj-to-pay-2-billion-fine-to-settle-probe-into-antipsychotic-drug/?mod=MW_latest_news


None of those three are even CLOSE to being reliable sites. Seriously, you're debating something, trying to prove a point, and you use A BLOG as your source! Man, I could make a site called "Geodone victims.com", and they say about how I was on 160 MG of Geodone, and it made my feces purple. Doesn't mean it happened. I looked at those websites, two of them are obviously done by unpaid people, also known as non-professionals, also known as unreliable sources. Come back with a .org or a .gov

Copy_Cat wrote:A Philadelphia jury yesterday ordered Johnson & Johnson subsidiary Janssen to pay $11 million to the parents of a five-year-old boy for failure to warn doctors of potential birth defects associated with its epilepsy drug Topamax. “Janssen knew about Topamax’s serious risk of causing birth defects years before these mothers were prescribed the drug, but did not advise physicians of those risks,”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-18/j-j-s-janssen-loses-11-million-jury-verdict-over-topamax.html%3Fcmpid=yhoo
. Now there's something. That' might not be a reliable source, but it's a lot better than the last three. Not to mention, how exactly are they supposed to know that it has those effects on pregnant women? Is there a way? And no, don't say "they can test on pregnant women", because I highly doubt a pregnant woman is going to say "Sure! Test your drug on me and the child I'm carrying!"

Copy_Cat wrote:Every company every psychiatric drug same criminal behavior.

No exceptions.


That's what's called a delusion. That's also called prejudice. Unless you have a undeniable proof that literally every company that makes these medications has been found to have criminal behavior, that simply isn't true.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:02 pm

Hard to find a full length version , here it is http://www.democracynow.org/2007/1/19/big_bucks_big_pharma_marketing_disease

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Tyler77 wrote:That's what's called a delusion. That's also called prejudice. Unless you have a undeniable proof that literally every company that makes these medications has been found to have criminal behavior, that simply isn't true.



Its not true ? NAME one psychiatric drug without a lawsuit for hurting people.

If I am delusional typing in the drug name should be easy.
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Tyler » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:09 pm

Copy_Cat wrote:
Tyler77 wrote:That's what's called a delusion. That's also called prejudice. Unless you have a undeniable proof that literally every company that makes these medications has been found to have criminal behavior, that simply isn't true.



Its not true ? NAME one psychiatric drug without a lawsuit for hurting people ?

If I am delusional typing in the drug name should be easy.


Seeing as how I'm not the one making such outlandish, purely prejudice comments, I shouldn't have to. I couldn't care less. Live on, continue fighting the war. I don't care.

Here's a website with a lit of pharmaceutical companies. I don't think it's all of them, but it's some. There's a couple hundred here. So have fun hating them all. http://www.empr.com/browseby/manufacturers/0/
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Re: The reason I should trust anything psychiatry says

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:12 pm

You can't do it, every drug no exceptions.


Enter Drug name + lawsuit > press search and get the same results > fraud and hurt people.


No exceptions
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