Psychotropic Drugs and Mass Killings

This article doesn't include the latest shootings but it confirms what I have known for a while. The majority of these mass killers and those that have violent melt downs are on powerful anti psychotic meds. As for the latest shooters this article doesn't mention, its been confirmed that most have been taking psychotropic or as with the Newtown shooter its been confirmed he was seeing psychiatrists but with records not disclosed. Its safe to say he to was on medication at one point.

One of the commenters say at the bottom say "As a scientist... EVEN IF all these mass killers were taking psychotropic medications as stated, that does not PROVE that the medications CAUSED them to commit the murders." Maybe so in theory. I would likely have taken his word but considering that first hand I have known people taking SSRIs going from depressed to magically suicidal/violent/mainic/delusional. I truly believe SSRIs had a hand in this. Not to mention close to half of psychiatric patients have it one their medical record they have tried certain anti depressants only to have had "adverse reactions" or "severe depressive/manic/delusional (add your symptom here) episode with self harm/directed harm (add your melt down here) requiring committed inpatient treatment".

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Some people are calling the connection between these mass murders - violent outbursts and psychiatric drugs a tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

Really ? Read this: Preda and Bowers. Antidepressant-Associated Mania and Psychosis Resulting in Psychiatric Admissions . Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 2001: 62: 30-33 Preda and Bowers2 reported that over 200,000 people a year in the U.S. enter a hospital with antidepressant-associated mania and/or psychosis.

http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/AntiDepressants/DrJackson/Preda2001.pdf

I am supposed to believe the drugs all these mass shooters were on had nothing to do with their manic psychotic behavior and it is just a coincidence it's always a psych med kid that shoots up the school ? Ya right.

Our leaders are out of their minds too if they think mental health screening that leads to even more kids on psychiatric drugs is going to solve anything. Good luck with that.

Copy_Cat wrote:Some people are calling the connection between these mass murders - violent outbursts and psychiatric drugs a tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

Really ? Read this: Preda and Bowers. Antidepressant-Associated Mania and Psychosis Resulting in Psychiatric Admissions . Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 2001: 62: 30-33 Preda and Bowers2 reported that over 200,000 people a year in the U.S. enter a hospital with antidepressant-associated mania and/or psychosis.

http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/AntiDepressants/DrJackson/Preda2001.pdf

I am supposed to believe the drugs all these mass shooters were on had nothing to do with their manic psychotic behavior and it is just a coincidence it's always a psych med kid that shoots up the school ? Ya right.

Our leaders are out of their minds too if they think mental health screening that leads to even more kids on psychiatric drugs is going to solve anything. Good luck with that.

Thank you for the link!

Tin foil hat conspiracy is what the experts want people to think. The average person knows little about psychiatry, so its easy for an "expert" to convince them its a false conspiracy. "200,000"?? Those numbers are small in my opinion. Most adverse side effects from these meds are covered up with psychiatrists just blaming the illness or an illness that was supposedly there all the time but is only now manifesting but the meds have nothing to do with that. Classic subversion. Then you have psychiatrists on main stream media who go into these elaborate explanations based upon the obvious but never even hint medication might be escalating problems or failing to treat them. Any incompetence is covered up like psychiatry is fool proof and ideal. Truth is its far away from that.

If YOU want to upset the WHOLE mental health industry etc., start telling everybody and I mean everybody that these anti psychotic drugs makes YOU want to go out and do violence all the time. Before YOU curse me out for speaking the truth, think about what I just said....

Did you ever think, like, maybe the medicine just didn't help them? I mean, I'm not saying that you're not right. You very well could be right, but I'm just curious, what evidence is there? I've been on two or three anti-psychotics, one heavy duty one, and it never gave me a violent outburst. Heck, it stopped them. It still does. If I'm not mistaken, the medicine I'm on now is the lightest of all anti-psychotic medication (Geodone). It helps with my anger and everything that it's meant to do. Sure, it sedates me and makes me sweat like a pig, but it helps. Most of the arguments I hear on here are just people believing everything anti=psych they hear. I mean, is it something in the medicine itself? If so, what?

-Tyler77- You are correct in your opinion about yourself BUT I have found that almost everybody with serious mental illness has two faces, one face is what YOU need to have to try and survive in the everyday world.. The other face is what YOU have to deal with mental illness and the anti psychotic drugs etc... Violence and possible suicide etc. are always in the background and YOU have to deal with these horrors....

Riccola wrote:Thank you for the link!

Tin foil hat conspiracy is what the experts want people to think. The average person knows little about psychiatry, so its easy for an "expert" to convince them its a false conspiracy. "200,000"?? Those numbers are small in my opinion. Most adverse side effects from these meds are covered up with psychiatrists just blaming the illness or an illness that was supposedly there all the time but is only now manifesting but the meds have nothing to do with that. Classic subversion. Then you have psychiatrists on main stream media who go into these elaborate explanations based upon the obvious but never even hint medication might be escalating problems or failing to treat them. Any incompetence is covered up like psychiatry is fool proof and ideal. Truth is its far away from that.

No problem and your right those numbers are small , it should be at least 200,001 to include the night I lost it cause that reckless doctor had me on I believe 6 different medications the night I just lost it and before long there was broken glass and police cars all over. I really don't want to be back in the memory for long by writing but I know I was dealing with a reduction in Clonopin , had no idea that the Zyprexa I was taking for sleep had it's own set of effects and withdrawal effects I would confuse with Clonopin withdrawal , Adhd stimulants that seemed 'effective' but were just counter acting the lingering zombie effect of my 'sleeping pill' , Remeron the anti depressant that also makes you tired (these days it's trazadone) Baclofen that the doctor lied and told me was 'just like Xanax' and Revia that was supposed to help with the alcohol cravings caused by the the benzo reduction and and all those other pills.

All this crap just had me twisted up and angry, I never slept right, I coulden't sleep always in withdrawals (tolerance withdrawal) dose stays the same but tolerance rises producing withdrawals.

I could have killed people that night but that part of me that knows right and wrong and consequences was still there just barely, just enough for me to care about self preservation and not have to off myself when the rampage was over but I was just like watching myself from the outside bust up everything in sight like an elephant that goes mad and goes on a tear.

Oh ya sure it's a 'conspiracy theory' when people blame the effects of these drugs when a kid after taking them for years finally looses it and goes on a violent tear. How stupid are people ?

-- Sat May 31, 2014 3:21 am --

"It wasn't the mind altering drugs that made the person loose there mind", WTF are you kidding ?

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:If YOU want to upset the WHOLE mental health industry etc., start telling everybody and I mean everybody that these anti psychotic drugs makes YOU want to go out and do violence all the time. Before YOU curse me out for speaking the truth, think about what I just said....

I haven't seen anti psychotics make people violent all that much (on the contrary the tend to be sedating over anything else), BUT, SSRIs and SNRIs are a whole other story. Its those where horror stories reside. The label warning inserts are no accident. Again, had I not seen and known so many people to have such extraordinarily adverse reactions to them I might not question them. Seeing so many similar stories online endlessly sealed the deal for me. Its SSRIs and like drugs that are in dire need of a major investigation. Along with an radical change in the way they are prescribed.


Im not bashing anyone struggling with mental issues, but some who are have unstable periods. Adding a drug that is known to destabilize them further is not helping. I know Im upsetting the mental health industry. These drugs are their bread and butter so they would rather not let any ugly truths get out. But at this point I think we need to ask ourselves how safe these drugs really are.


Just my 2 cents.

-Riccola- etc. If everybody with mental illness told everybody that -ALL- drugs connected with mental illness make YOU want to do violence. Then people and the news media and politicians etc. etc. etc. will listen and take action or else YOU will take action....


















-R

KINDNESSTHERAPY wrote:-Riccola- etc. If everybody with mental illness told everybody that -ALL- drugs connected with mental illness make YOU want to do violence. Then people and the news media and politicians etc. etc. etc. will listen and take action or else YOU will take action....

-R

If everyone did speak out against dangerous anti depressants or anything that wasn't right about psychiatry, politicians, news organizations and the like would publicize it. The psychiatric industry would be forced to change to keep making revenue.

The issue is people cant speak out or dont know how to. The mentally ill are a minority over the general population deeply oppressed by psychiatrists who whether they know it or not know exactly how to get patients to think what they want them to think. Even when the mentally ill do speak out they are quickly stopped from doing so. People believe psychiatry is a fully respectable profession because of the college degree, long training... Any member of the general population is inclined to believe them since they are the experts with the degree not you. A gullible scared or hurt patient is easy to manipulate, easy to convince them they are ill, defective, whether psychiatry is truly helping them or not. Any time a patient does try to speak out they are "gas lighted", ignored or "calmed". Nothing they say is taken as serious, rather its just assumed to be a manifestation of their illness caused by an inability to process information themselves or reality correctly. Any concern or wish is swept under the rug. Psychiatrists also convince parents, family member and the rest of society it is that way too. Just listen to us, take the meds we prescribe and the patient is fine. The rest is just a byproduct of the patient's illness. Any short falls such as negative reactions to medications are covered up. Anyone who questions this is belated by psychiatrists accused of trying to jeopardize "meaningful" treatment for the ill. Big pharma deep down knows these medications are risky, they know these medications are toxic, they know they dont cure nor always manage mental illness over half the time. But why say anything when the pills they sell make huge money. Its cheaper to cover up shortfalls settling out of court and a wonderful investment to fund biased research since the end result are pills that brings in endless, obscene profit.



Almost every single person who has been through the average institutionalized/mainstream treatment of mental disorders has story after story of misdiagnosis, abuse, mal treatment, side effects, iatrogenic conditions, medication reactions... Ask any psychiatrist, and they are all has lighted, "Its that we are helping them but its their illness that makes them see us as counterproductive to their well being". BS! Psychiatrists are only believed because the junk science of psychiatry was accepted into the rest of medicine. Hence they are now people of honor to be believed.