Zyprexa Destroyed Me

Wrecked2 wrote:

It's bull. They do not care. The right thing to do would be to say use Zyprexa as a last resort or try a safer drug first, not lie by omission "Don't introduce the issue".

Yes. Antipsychotics in general should be considered as last alternative. And when studies showing
brain shrinkage, you may wonder if they should be used at all. I guess for schizophrenia and psychosis theres not much alternative. But when it comes to anxiety, depression and so on.. its crazy to use them for that.

There is no such thing as schizophrenia, its all a lie.
There is no excuse for the poison they dish out. They deserve ropes around their necks just like the Nuremburg trials. I have no sympathy or empathy for anyone related to that field.

Antipsychotics inhibit so much stuff it's tough to pinpoint exactly what it is. Certainly it isn't only dopamine.

And also, Zyprexa for anxiety is like treating asthma with chemotherapy.

I also suffered for many years due to antipsychotic use.

Have you tried low dose lithium and low dose tianeptine? They're the leading drugs on neurogenesis. They help the brain restore normal function by creating new cells.

I've used both and they were above all, my favorite medications.

Like I mentioned, dopamine isn't the only culprit. Zyprexa is a HUGE histamine inhibitor and it also destroys acetylcholine reuptake in the brain. Both of those are enormously responsible for stimulation and cognition, like dopamine.
You need to find a cocktail of drugs, supplements and exercise like mad if you want to restore brain function.

You can also try less abrasive stuff for dopamine. I believe a stimulant would be instantly helpful, however, your receptors would be killed further more overtime due to overstimulation.

You should find ways of increasing acetylcholine, dopamine, norepinephrine and histamine, while keeping them not-stress-inducing, if you still suffer from anxiety.
If you still suffer from anxiety, getting the glutamate system reduced (albeit this causes a very specific understimulation of it's own) and serotonin up (another big hit on stimulation, since "more serotonin = less dopamine and vice-versa".). Tianeptine does both, plus it helps frontal cortex dopamine a little.

To avoid overmedication and side effects, you could check supplements. many of them are at a pharmaceutical level, meaning they can cross the blood brain barrier for an specific effect.
There are also plant extracts that work much like medications, which can be way more effective than simple vitamins, sugars, aminoacids or hormones.


My current daily cocktail is:
600mg lithium, 500mg to 900mg phosphatydil choline, 1 gram l-tyrosine, 200mg 5-HTP, occasional 3mg to 25mg tianeptine. Benzos when necessary, as I am also an anxiety sufferer.

I'm guessing choline would really be helpful for you...

-- Thu May 08, 2014 10:02 pm --

Wrecked2 wrote:

It's bull. They do not care. The right thing to do would be to say use Zyprexa as a last resort or try a safer drug first, not lie by omission "Don't introduce the issue".

Yes. Antipsychotics in general should be considered as last alternative. And when studies showing
brain shrinkage, you may wonder if they should be used at all. I guess for schizophrenia and psychosis theres not much alternative. But when it comes to anxiety, depression and so on.. its crazy to use them for that.

You are absolutely right... Antipsychotics are extremely harmful and should only be used, in high doses, in cases of schizophrenia or similar conditions or severe bipolar that didn't respond to mood stabilizers.

Antipsychotics create many, many problems for the entire organism with long term use. That was very easily observable since their invention.

When atypicals came out, it was also easy to see they were making a lot of people diabetic. Doctors still overlook that fact to this day. If you see what Zyprexa does to the insulin in your body, and you'd knew how HARMFUL that can be globally, you would never, ever take it, unless you had no alternative and you think your current problem is worse than that.

Alas, the general population has no access to that kind of information and doctors symply don't give a ###$.

P0ci wrote:

Wrecked2 wrote:

It's bull. They do not care. The right thing to do would be to say use Zyprexa as a last resort or try a safer drug first, not lie by omission "Don't introduce the issue".

Yes. Antipsychotics in general should be considered as last alternative. And when studies showing
brain shrinkage, you may wonder if they should be used at all. I guess for schizophrenia and psychosis theres not much alternative. But when it comes to anxiety, depression and so on.. its crazy to use them for that.

There is no such thing as schizophrenia, its all a lie.
There is no excuse for the poison they dish out. They deserve ropes around their necks just like the Nuremburg trials. I have no sympathy or empathy for anyone related to that field.

Schizophrenia is real. It's treatment is terrible. How schizophrenics are viewed and treated by most psychiatrists is disgusting.

I would rather try electroconvulsive therapy than take high doses of antipsychotics... and I know how ECT can be harmful as well.

twistednerve wrote:
Schizophrenia is real. It's treatment is terrible. How schizophrenics are viewed and treated by most psychiatrists is disgusting.

I would rather try electroconvulsive therapy than take high doses of antipsychotics... and I know how ECT can be harmful as well.

Wrong

Like I mentioned, dopamine isn't the only culprit. Zyprexa is a HUGE histamine inhibitor and it also destroys acetylcholine reuptake in the brain. Both of those are enormously responsible for stimulation and cognition, like dopamine.
You need to find a cocktail of drugs, supplements and exercise like mad if you want to restore brain function.

Thanks for a great post "twisted nerve".

As you say, I also think that I need a major amount of supplements and drugs to restore my brain to just some extent. Im not too familiar with lithium and tianeptine, i guess I've to look them up further.

But the thing is today I am so far from good. The task to restore my brain since Zyprexa seems like an impossible challenge. If i would make a comparison its like climbing a mountain one million times higher than Mount Everest in one day. It just feels unachievable. Even writing posts like this takes hours.
Im so tired, so sedative. Its like being on a major tranquilizer 24/7. And just empty in my head.
I almost don´t go out of my home. It completely ruined my life.

I had not even turned 20 years old when they prescribed it to me. I am gonna admit i was having a bad time. But before i got Zyprexa, was I tired and sedative all day? Was I thinking slowly, having lack of short-term memory and declined cognitive functions? Did I have the muscle twitches I have today? Did I suffer from Anhedonia and emotional emptiness? Did I gain enormous amount of weight? Did I suffer from enlargement of breast tissue? No i didn't. The only reasonable reason this is, is Zyprexa.

Still, I guess i have to keep on going,to give it a try, with supplemtens,drugs and so on. As for acetylcholine, I'm considering Alpha GPC or Cdp-choline and maybe huperzine A.

I guess there are many possible supplements and drugs that one could try. But I would like to be aware of the possible adverse effects of these before I try them, in contrast to my experience with Zyprexa. On the other hand it can not get much worse than it already is.

What you are saying, the anhedonia, is a typical symptom of negative symptoms in schizophrenia.

The meds are not causing this way of life.

They would not put a drug on the market if it did this, because if it did, they could be held liable.

I experience the same traits. I am dead within and would appear boring to talk to. I am schizotypal though. I find as well the zyprexa does help my anxiety. And i know of others who are on it for anxiety who are grand.

You would have to change the definition of schizophrenia before your arguments have any merit.

It seems this thread got a bit out of hand while I was away and I have not seen it till now. I am going to lock it to prevent further escalation.