Bundy ranch standoff anti-authoritarians

Copy_Cat wrote:In the process of shutting down the land, the BLM has suspended Free Speech in the Area and has actually setup so-called free speech zones miles away from the ranch. That’s right, the federal government has actually banned free speech on over 600,000 acres of public land.

1013 victim wrote:That guy expressed a very ignorant and racist view

I am not going to stop believing in the constitution / bill of rights all that stuff because some old man made some racist comments , I am not falling for it. Not me.

No way would I ever fall for this logic: Patriotism is bad cause this one patriot is racist, nope won't work on me CNN big media, it ain't happening.

And they said I have attention deficit disorder ! The subject here is NOT racism, pay attention.

You don't have a point or a subject worth discussing here. The only thing worthy of discussion here is how people like this guy and his opinions on others can be made enforceable by law and how politicians and lawmakers do just that every day. Fact is people like this are currently creating laws in certain states that say recipients of food stamps have to take drug tests. Where is the direct correlation between using drugs and receiving food stamps? Where are the facts that say that if someone gets off of drugs they would then get a job that would allow them to provide for there families without needing food stamps? Those facts don't exist. It is merely a group of peoples opinion and they have now won enough through the political system to make this law. Why do they need to win when they don't have the facts behind them? Instead of going after food stamps as wasteful government spending why aren't they going after the mental health field? The mental health field waste money on locking people up against there will and they waste money giving people disability checks for mental health conditions that they can not prove through tests. All of that is billed to the government. I spent five days in a place against my will and they billed the government $7000 or $8000 for something that did absolutely zero good and never needed to happen. They reportedly lock up over 100,000 people daily.

That is the only thing worth discussing here how peoples opinions can become enforceable by law. That is how the mental health industry gained the right to force themselves onto people, through politics there opinions became enforceable by law. People like this can't hurt anyone by having hateful and racist views or simply by having strong opinions, they can only hurt you when there view or opinions become enforceable by law. That's the true story here this guy is not anti-authority. He represents the reason why laws such as the ones that force people into treatment exist. He is simply someone with extreme opinions that are not based on facts but when you look at how laws are made you see how dangerous he is because there are people like him making your laws and that is why such laws as the one they use to lock people up and force medicine exist. Through politics and laws a person like this finally has his chance to force his opinion on you.

The big story here is you should always vote and pay attention to who these political groups associate themselves with. The fact that the republicans and the fox news network were this guys biggest fans until he made these comments should tell you something about them. I hate all politics and politicians by the way.

1013 victim wrote:You don't have a point or a subject worth discussing here.

This doesn't bother you ?



-- Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:20 pm --

In case you haven't noticed the "anti psych forum" is like a first amendment area of sorts,

"This includes the opposition to forced treatment and hospitalization as well as the belief that Psychiatric Medication does more harm than good. Please note that these topics are controversial and therefore this forum may offend some people. This is not the belief of Psych Forums or Get Mental Help and this forum was posted to offer a safe place to discuss these beliefs."

Martin Luther King read and understood the 45 words of the First Amendment and its panoply of freedoms. He knew that government officials hostile to his cause often did not honor those freedoms. Yet, despite this hostility, King knew our freedoms and believed in them.

On Martin Luther King Day, and every day take time to honor Dr. King and the First Amendment.

1013 victim wrote: I spent five days in a place against my will and they billed the government $7000 or $8000 for something that did absolutely zero good and never needed to happen. They reportedly lock up over 100,000 people daily.

I know.

Copy_Cat wrote:

P0ci wrote:Obama didn't force anyone to buy healthcare.

Force
2.coercion or compulsion...
synonyms: coercion, compulsion, constraint, duress, oppression, harassment, intimidation, threats;
2. make (someone) do something against their will.
"she was forced into early retirement"
synonyms: compel, coerce, make, constrain, oblige, impel, drive, pressurize, pressure, press, push, press-gang, bully, dragoon, bludgeon;

penalty for no health insurance
http://www.google.com/search?q=penalty+for+no+health+insurance
penalty 1. a punishment imposed for breaking a law, rule, or contract.

Ya he did force people.

Copy, now you scaring me. What you just posted is reminiscent of even worst then a Libertarin, a right wing extremist.... They were the ones babbling about Obamacare even before it was put into effect. Especially that there is a penalty for those that don't do it. That was later proven false what you posted.... There is no way they can force you to buy healthcare, and hey even if it were true, I think what is it 15 bucks a year? Can you complain about that? In any case I think we both know these rules do not apply to me and you since we have other "benefits" Id rather not talk about nor do I believe we should be getting them do to our wonderful "labels". In any case like I said, what if you were economically impoverished and couldn't afford normal insurance? Would you not get Obamacare? Also what is your view on socialized medicine? Other countrys have it and it works fine. Despite some of them still being subsidized privately which is a travesty, especially if you happen to have cough a "mental illness"

P0ci wrote:There is no way they can force you to buy healthcare, and hey even if it were true, I think what is it 15 bucks a year?

30 bucks the next year no doubt,

The force is sometimes called the "penalty," "fine," "individual responsibility payment," or "individual mandate."

Anyway force is force. I don't want it, I want to spend my 15 bucks on something else. Donate it to mindfreedom in to maybe. MY 15 bucks, period.

The "health care" system almost killed me and drugs millions of children a year with these phoney diseases at the cost of billions and costs many lives. I don't want "healthcare" I don't want to take part in it.

Between 1990 and 2000 there were 186 deaths from methylphenidate reported to the FDA MedWatch program, a voluntary reporting scheme, the numbers of which represent no more than 10 to 20% of the actual incidence. Our 14-year-old Son Died from Ritalin Use http://www.ritalindeath.com/

Stimulants are often effective treatment for aggressive or antisocial behavior in youth living with ADHD. Antipsychotic medications and mood stabilizers have been proven to be "effective" in treating oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder. nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Mental_Illnesses/ADHD/ADHD_and_Coexisting_Conditions.htm

I don't want to pay for that. I don't want it to be "free" for parents or anyone mislead by the psychiatric fraud machine to drug kids.



Take the 15 bucks from my cold dead fingers if you want it.

For the record my point here remains this guy is not anti-authority or government. Someone who is anti-authority questions everything. This guy is questioning government assistance to black people when they are not even the main recipients. I am sure there are several people on this very forum getting disability checks and there not black.

1013 victim wrote:For the record my point here remains this guy is not anti-authority or government. Someone who is anti-authority questions everything. This guy is questioning government assistance to black people when they are not even the main recipients. I am sure there are several people on this very forum getting disability checks and there not black.

I work at a grocery store, and literally all the people on food stamps are white rednecks. I'm not saying everyone on government assistance is a white redneck, but that's how I see it. I cannot recall a single time a black person came through my line, or someones line who I bagged for, who had food stamps, WIC, or some sort of government assistance. With food stamps, it's usually either old people, fat slobs with strains on their clothing who smell like they haven't taken a shower in years, Amish people (which goes against their religion, but that's a topic for another time), people covered in tattoos and piercings with rainbow colored hair, the disabled, and possibly, the mentally ill. I have no problem with giving the disabled or mentally ill money so they can support themselves. That said, I don't see where this, at all, comes off as an anti-psych topic.

Tyler77 wrote:That said, I don't see where this, at all, comes off as an anti-psych topic.

I just like how these Bundy Ranch militia people stand up to authority since authority screwed with me and while posing as “authorities” on the mind and mental health, psychiatry threatened me with a 'needle rape' forced injection when I complained there pill treatment was nothing but a mind and body damaging trip down zombie lane after I foolishly went to them for help when I was sick from drinking to much over stress. I was dependent on all there damb pills for years and got off them and then screwed up with alcohol, I wanted help with a little detox but Haldol , Oxcarbazepine and the max dose of Seroquel no thanks , I'm into fitness after years of being sick from their treatments, not zombie pill taking, my body I own it.

My body I own it, a violation of my body by them is rape, psychiatry routinely lies and coerces people and calls it treatment.

That whole ordeal at the hospital was standoff with the threat of needle rape hanging over my head for pill refusal.

Those patriots are cool, they believe in something right or wrong and stand up for it unlike most people I see in this world that just play with there phones all day everywhere, mindless t.v watching do what ever they are told sheep with there little phrases like "it is what it is" the battle cry of failure.

Go on sheep get in the "free speech zone" if you want to say that.

This topic seems to be going off in all sorts of directions, I think that there are a lot of interesting and important topics here that could become interesting threads. Lets' try to keep this topic on track and perhaps start some new threads about some of these additional topics that were brought up here

I think Copy_Cat's point here is that he likes that these people are standing up for themselves and their believes and DOING something about it and wishes that the anti-psych community would do similarly. Perhaps we could start there to get this back on track?