There Is No Such Thing as Mental Illness

P0ci wrote:Just one thing, you say "Well documented"... In brazil do you realize these well documented sources are all paid for and OVER funded not under funded like you claim by big pharma that use you a a pawn to make money?

I meant psychiatrical research. In universities, private labs. be them government funded or whatever, everyone ignores them. Cancer, AIDS, the flu: they got people working on it all over the world. But psychiarical illnesses are ignored and deemed too difficult to treat. Plus the stigma. Robert Sapolsky (google him up) said "When it comes to psychiatry, there is just one big silence".

You should be thankful big pharma saw a profit on it. Without big pharma investing on it, psychiatric patients would still be carelessly being horded on asylums and deemed uncurable and untreatable.

Big pharma's necessity for profit drives them into a competition to make new medications. And these medications are helpful for an immense ammount of illnesses or situations.

I don't mean to be disrespectful or hurtful, but usually the patients who complain about big pharma or psychiatry are the ones in the schizophrenia, severe bipolar, personality disorder or other more serious illnesses. Indeed, these suffer a lot for their conditions and get treated very poorly by most psychiatrists. And sadly, medications for these conditions tend to be the harshest of all.. Plus, not THAT helpful. I've been misdiagnosed as schizophrenic by many unrelated bad psychiatrists, and I can tell you heavy antopsychotic usage can be worse than the illness itself (my guess, at least). These drugs can be very harmful to a person, and won't help many symptoms most likely. Taking gigantic cocktails (which I have also done) is also bad and dangerous.
But my life would be absolutely miserable without medications and supplements. And I've found usage for many of them that aren't *strictly psychiatrical*.

Also, the illness itself makes people unlikely to accept psychiatrical illness. Schizophrenics and schizotypals are notorious for creating those big conspiracy theories that invalidate psychiatry and illness. Maybe deep down, they just don't wanna admit to themselves they are so beyond what people can do, and so ill, that their lives won't ever be the same and that they will never feel that great again. But bashing psychiatry isn't the answer. Being more active in any way you can to fix it and contributing your opinion and experience is.
Bipolars when manic are also very unlikely to admit it, due to poor judgement or just a will to ride the mania train. Which feels awesome, according to many, and in many cases are even necessary to carry out their lifestyle and professions (such as Stephen Fry said about himself).

But it's like a cancer patient saying it's all one big conspiracy because chemotherapy sucks and everything can give cancer.


Hate the players, not the game. Big pharma picked up the ball that other people refused to pick. Mentall illness is real, just very rudimentarily understood and lacks effective treatment.

Your points are valid. The free market system works. The invisible hand that is driven by selfish greed serves the greater good of all. But, in this instance it appears something has gone wrong. I’m sure if Milton Friedman were here he would blame it on the FDA and with his common sense make a believer out of me especially with the part where he embraces tort lawyers to fill the void of the regulators. But, he’s not here and I’m not smart enough to get to that conclusion on my own.

Maybe I’m see something that Milton was missing. The ability of psychology as a tool to influence decisions may have thrown the preverbal monkey wrench in his motto “The Freedom to Choose.”
What J&J did with Risperdal was nothing short of criminal racketeering and conspiracy. $2.2 billion was a slap in the wrist. This much I know Milton would say. It is in fact regulation and the regulators that are protecting J&J from the financial death penalty that they deserve. Feed them to my greedy brethren. They have it coming.

Montaigne once rightly said that there is nothing so firmly believed as that which is least known.

The proposition that there is no such thing as mental illness is an a priori truth, or truth that is true regardless of experience and arrived at through a process of logical deduction. Illnesses can only happen to things, specifically bodies. Mind is an abstract concept (albeit reified), ergo it is absurd to say a mind is ill.

Cledwyn Bulbs wrote:Montaigne once rightly said that there is nothing so firmly believed as that which is least known.

The proposition that there is no such thing as mental illness is an a priori truth, or truth that is true regardless of experience and arrived at through a process of logical deduction. Illnesses can only happen to things, specifically bodies. Mind is an abstract concept (albeit reified), ergo it is absurd to say a mind is ill.

Oh yeah. And gastritis are ghosts possessing your esophagus.

twistednerve wrote:

P0ci wrote:Just one thing, you say "Well documented"... In brazil do you realize these well documented sources are all paid for and OVER funded not under funded like you claim by big pharma that use you a a pawn to make money?

You should be thankful big pharma saw a profit on it. Without big pharma investing on it, psychiatric patients would still be carelessly being horded on asylums and deemed uncurable and untreatable.

You really are confused aren't you?

It is big pharma that does the "studies" and the ones not done by them are funded and manipulated by them.

As far as being thankfull to big pharma. You need to do your homework, in countries where they don't dish out meds like candy, patients have a higher percentage of recovery.

P0ci wrote:

twistednerve wrote:

P0ci wrote:Just one thing, you say "Well documented"... In brazil do you realize these well documented sources are all paid for and OVER funded not under funded like you claim by big pharma that use you a a pawn to make money?

You should be thankful big pharma saw a profit on it. Without big pharma investing on it, psychiatric patients would still be carelessly being horded on asylums and deemed uncurable and untreatable.

You really are confused aren't you?

It is big pharma that does the "studies" and the ones not done by them are funded and manipulated by them.

As far as being thankfull to big pharma. You need to do your homework, in countries where they don't dish out meds like candy, patients have a higher percentage of recovery.

The studies on medication, most of them, yeah. Not all.
And I mentioned other research, apart from big pharma and medication, though.

And by merely saying "dish medication like candy", I believe you, I don't even need a study to prove it, as overmedication is very harmful. That's not big pharma, though. Those are bad physicians.

twistednerve wrote:

The studies on medication, most of them, yeah. Not all.
And I mentioned other research, apart from big pharma and medication, though.

And by merely saying "dish medication like candy", I believe you, I don't even need a study to prove it, as overmedication is very harmful. That's not big pharma, though. Those are bad physicians.

DO you know what a physician is? They are real doctors that cure real ailments. Psychiatrists are the ones that give out meds, and they are manipulated by big pharma to do so. I think you don't quite understand how this works......

A psychiatrist is a physician. Google it.

Havoctoria wrote:A psychiatrist is a physician. Google it.

That's what I meant.

I figured. That wasn't directed toward you.