Why shrinks are full of it....

Cheze2 wrote:I wish they would just be honest and say, "I have no idea what is wrong with you. The things you describe are similar to many other people and we have labeled these set of symptoms as ______. I do have this pill that some people have said helps them" Then they can let the person choose if they want to go that route or not.

I suppose that might not be as believable though...and wouldn't sell as many pills.

The pills help no one, they are fed that delusion. All the pills do is dumb you down so you don't show emotions, yes even if agitation is one of them you have to sacrifice the rest of your emotions for that small "benefit". Its no diferent then giving a wild horse a tranquilizer, what happens? They stop kicking and jumping around but instead just stand there like a zombie with their head stooped over and look retarded. That's exactly what neuroleptics do. And if you do your homework, and Im going to quote Robert Whitaker, "people who stop taking anti psychotics are worse off then BEFORE they started taking them"

I will explain why, as Whitaker put it. Anyone with any knowledge of biology should understand this very easily but I will put it in lehmhans terms.

You see the brain is a very powerfull organ, it adapts. The theory is that neuroleptics are needed to correct a chemical imbalance of dopamine in the brain, first of all that's a lie, there is no chemical imbalance, truth is the neuroleptics create a chemical imbalance...

You see they block 80% of dopamine receptors in the brain, and like I said the brain adapts, it says "hey why do I not have any dopamine?!?!?!" so it CREATES about 50% more dopamine receptors to compensate. Now why is this a problem? Well as Whitaker put it, "its like having the gas and brake on a car at the same time"

If you stop taking the neuroleptic there is a sudden massive influx of dopamine and with all those new receptors the brain goes cookoo. Which is why withdrawal is such hell. It actually creates a "psychosis". Which is why one needs to have very strong will power as well as some other drug to help get off this crap.

Its no different then a heroin addict going through cold turkey only neuroleptics are worse. A heroin addict will be clean in less then a week from withdrawal. While neuroleptics can take a month or more.

P0ci wrote:The pills help no one, they are fed that delusion.

As someone who consciously chooses to take medication, I disagree with you. I choose to take them with the full knowledge of their side effects, and how difficult it can/will be to withdraw from them. True informed consent in my opinion is more important than writing off all medication together. I am not a zombie, I live a full life and have a full range of emotions. These types of broad sweeping statements are inaccurate.

Cheze2 wrote:

P0ci wrote:The pills help no one, they are fed that delusion.

As someone who consciously chooses to take medication, I disagree with you. I choose to take them with the full knowledge of their side effects, and how difficult it can/will be to withdraw from them. True informed consent in my opinion is more important than writing off all medication together. I am not a zombie, I live a full life and have a full range of emotions. These types of broad sweeping statements are inaccurate.

You may think your not a zombie, but a 5 min observation of you one could tell your on these meds.

No my statements are not innacurate, even industry professionals admit to this, and thanks for Robert Whitaker to bringing this to the public. When you can write books like him on the subject then please post your insight on the subject.

We can choose to disagree respectfully, however you have not met me, so making a statement such as

P0ci wrote:a 5 min observation of you one could tell your on these meds.

is another broad sweeping statement that you have no facts or basis to back up.

Remember that this is first and foremost a support forum and that we must all respect each other regardless of our differing opinions.

There are many ways to support one another. Some of us need support in the form of people simply saying you should be able to make your own decision and since there are no blood,urine, or medical test given to test the brain used to detect mental illness people should not be forced into treatment. No-one has to support your specific view in order to be supportive. I am simply not going to support the point of view that there is sufficient evidence to prove mental illness exist or that the medical field can diagnose it rather than label it. Thus, I will never again support anyone by saying its okay to take medicine because the mental health field thinks its okay to force medicine and labels on some people simply because some people willingly take medicine and labels.

Cheze2 wrote:We can choose to disagree respectfully, however you have not met me, so making a statement such as

P0ci wrote:a 5 min observation of you one could tell your on these meds.

is another broad sweeping statement that you have no facts or basis to back up.

Remember that this is first and foremost a support forum and that we must all respect each other regardless of our differing opinions.

CHeze.....

Ive been in 3 psych wards, been going to outpatient treatment with plenty of "mentally ill" in the waiting rooms. 100% of them had negative symptoms from meds. In fact way worst then me. So don't tell me I cant judge you. Unless you have some superpower where they don't affect you.......
I seen it with my own eyes in hundreds of people taking these poisons and multiple cocktails of them.