The truth about being Schizophrenic in Australia

http://www.isps.org.au/2014_Open_Dialogue_Tour.asp

get your shrinks onto this..open dialogue instructors are doing seminars in australia really soon, only just found out...this is good sign I hope it makes it to mainstream medicine for schizophrenia!!

"Sorry but theres to much counter evidence for me to believe any of these shotting were as mass media describes".

Ever hear of monarch/MKultra mind control? Or even a staged shooting? I remember when sandy hook happened the first 30 min of it being reported while everything was still a mystery one channel said their were MULTIPLE shooters. As far as im concerned if Lanza did exist hes just another Oswald, a patsy"

Wrong. Your evidence that the shootings were 'not as described' are just a bunch of internet malarkey and totally made up. Especially that nonsense about James Holmes' father and the LIBOR hearings. All internet bs, the LIBOR business was traced to one individual who hatches on average, a new internet conspiracy theory every 48 hrs. Holmes' father could no more bring informed testimony to that trial than my Guinea Pig Arthur could.

smithywise wrote:"Sorry but theres to much counter evidence for me to believe any of these shotting were as mass media describes".

Ever hear of monarch/MKultra mind control? Or even a staged shooting? I remember when sandy hook happened the first 30 min of it being reported while everything was still a mystery one channel said their were MULTIPLE shooters. As far as im concerned if Lanza did exist hes just another Oswald, a patsy"

Wrong. Your evidence that the shootings were 'not as described' are just a bunch of internet malarkey and totally made up. Especially that nonsense about James Holmes' father and the LIBOR hearings. All internet bs, the LIBOR business was traced to one individual who hatches on average, a new internet conspiracy theory every 48 hrs. Holmes' father could no more bring informed testimony to that trial than my Guinea Pig Arthur could.

I said nothing about James Holmes father, although I did hear about that. I said the media claimed he was high on Vicodin. Are you saying Monarch/MKUltra is made up too?

Can people get over that Mkultra BS already? That was openly disclosed and shut down by the CIA in like 1975. Yes, during the cold war there were weird experiments with LSD so they say, and in the 60's a bunch of hippies and beatniks dropped acid and sang about peace and love, before Vietnam and Girl Interrupted was published. Big flipping deal! They also tried to see if different drugs like LSD could cure schizophrenia and it obviously didn't work because it's illegal now.

My issue is that psychiatric medications do not correct chemical imbalances, per se, they just zombify people temporarily and do not cure the root cause just mask the symptoms themselves until you get withdrawal psychosis and you're back to square one.

OP, I feel for your situation. No one wants to feel like a criminal or like they have no freedom. But you live in Australia, not Amsterdam. There are laws in each Country that we all have to follow. Did it keep you clean from drugs? You sound fairly intelligent, perhaps then it's not all a loss to you. But you sound ignorant by how you compare yourself to "other schizophrenics" as if the rest are just drooling idiots no match for your superiority. That's just rude and hypocritical.

I wish in the U.S. it was easier for the mentally ill to get professional treatment. It's an ongoing crisis in our country and no one's quite sure what to do about it. On one hand, we're just not socially mature enough, IMO, as a Nation to address these much needed adjustments to our social system.
I didn't ask to be labeled with paranoid schizophrenia when I was young, but it's not even that severe anymore. I am labelled Bipolar now, as I've been slowly improving over time.

I dont drink alcohol much at all, maybe a few drinks socially once a month. It's good to avoid drugs, and if you have to sacrifice some of your freedoms for a better state of being and a safer society is that wrong? You don't walk in front of traffic for a reason, it endangers yourself and others. If you have a mental illness you should treat it responsibly and not lash out at the system put in place to protect you and others.

Schizophrenia is not a lie nor a joke, and if you had drug induced psychosis and it didn't go away then the drug abuse caused your schizophrenia to develop and that's on you.

bright_star wrote:if you have to sacrifice some of your freedoms for a better state of being and a safer society is that wrong? You don't walk in front of traffic for a reason, it endangers yourself and others. If you have a mental illness you should treat it responsibly and not lash out at the system put in place to protect you and others.

I think you bring up a good point here that sometimes gets lost. All people have to make sacrifices for the good of society. That's part of what living in a society is all about. All people have to make sacrifices so that they can achieve a greater sense of well being. Just because someone carries a psychiatric diagnosis, that doesn't make them exempt. I think the issue comes up when others are forced to make sacrifices like taking medications and such. It takes the autonomy/free choice/free will out of things. Particularly when one person does not find the medication helpful.

Imagine if someone was forced to drink 10 cups of coffee per day "for the good of society" for some people the experience can be similar to that.

Schizophrenics don’t kill people. People kill people. We are diagnosing “schizophrenia” as a distinct entity when in fact it may be many different things. It runs the gamut. A delusion has never caused me to even contemplate doing harm to another. One the other hand hatred, anger, and fear have in driven me to cause harm to others. What’s more, my reactions on those occasions were entirely rational and some would say even morally justified (an eye for an eye).

There are some people who are just full of anger and hatred 24/7. There are some people who are 24/7 psychopathic and devoid of empathy. They are constrained from killing only because they fear the consequences to themselves. The world is full of white collar psychopaths. They are much more likely to cause harm to others. Maybe some of these killers have multiple co-morbidities the most significant of which is have a streak of down right dirty nasty meanness in em. We talk of human behaviors as if they are all of some pathophysiological origin.

Delusion or no delusion, I am the type of person who is much more likely to sacrifice himself to prevent harm to others than to actually cause harm. My delusions, if they are delusions, are simply observations of a reality that most others are either incapable of seeing, or deliberately choose to ignore. I see beneath the surface of human behavior and because of that some people think I am crazy.

I understand that there are others whose delusions may not be insightful. So then people who have delusions which would cause them to commit violent acts should separately categorized and medicated? I am not sure I would agree with that. Are those people in fact any more likely to cause harm than is the white collar psychopath? Or is it the white collar psychopath that we should fear the most?

I don't think people with the label of schizophrenia should be feared either. I also know that white collar crime is often ignored, and I the psychopathic individuals in part are enabled by a selfish system. Most of the criminals you see today are not diagnosed with mental disorders. They wouldn't be caught dead in a psychiatrist's office. They do not care about their mental health, and it would be too much a risk for them. But the way our society labels and generalizes people actually puts more people in harms way.

In my state, the abuse of heroin or pills has nearly tripled in the past years. I partly blame psychiatry for the drug abuse problem. People are treated like the animals they become. They're taught since childhood that pills solve all their problems, developing psychological trauma and mental instability and so they turn to prescription painkillers and buy them off the street to quell their personal demons. Because psychiatry EXCUSED them and their behavior, taught them to believe they were sick and incurable.

My mom has schizophrenia. It's obvious that she's suffering from psychotic symptoms. When you've seen it every day for half of your life, it's hard to ignore such mental illnesses exist.

I was first diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia when I was 16, then later it was changed to schizoaffective bipolar type because they realized I don't carry as many symptoms, or maybe they realized they made a mistake and were trying to cover it up. I was coerced into treatment, and I suffered as a result. Most of my delusions have come true, as they were political in nature. Which is a lot of what Thomas Szasz talked about. There are a lot of lone voices who speak out against the nature of oppression.

This is where it is difficult to make a judgement on what really benefits someone with diagnosis of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia really is just a set of symptoms and how can anyone treat a person by observing their behavior subjectively? That's not scientific and Globalist Psychiatry is ruining the world. I wonder if the majority of income in the U.S. is from pharmacuticals? My "schizoaffective" friend mentioned that yesterday. I know about 6 people off hand within this small town who have been diagnosed with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder and are struggling with it.

Maybe overall they are doing something right down under. According to this source Australia leads the world with the lowest per capita disability-adjusted life years (DALYs). And the suggestion here is that treatment, including medication, significantly reduces the negative impact schizophrenia has in terms of disability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiolo ... izophrenia

What you won't find is any correlation between worldwide per capita homicide rates and DALY. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homicide_Rate.png Meaning that even if left untreated, schizophrenia has no impact on per capita murder rates. The fear of the un-medicated schizophrenic going on a killing spree is an irrational fear promoted by the news media. Fear sells.

bright_star wrote:Can people get over that Mkultra BS already? That was openly disclosed and shut down by the CIA in like 1975. Yes, during the cold war there were weird experiments with LSD so they say, and in the 60's a bunch of hippies and beatniks dropped acid and sang about peace and love, before Vietnam and Girl Interrupted was published. Big flipping deal! They also tried to see if different drugs like LSD could cure schizophrenia and it obviously didn't work because it's illegal now.

BS? You haven't even begun to see how far the rabbit hole goes on the subject? You haven't done your homework. Reading one or two things about MK doesn't make you an expert on the subject, because FYI its more then just LSD, they used a multitude of drugs and torture on victims.

And btw you think LSD is illegal cause it couldn't cure schizos? Do you even know why drugs are illegal in the first place? I think not. And im not even gonna bother explaining it to you. Do more homework.