The truth about being Schizophrenic in Australia

Silentrage wrote:Yeah, well, thank you for inspiring me to decide not to be open about my condition after all.

If an unrelated and passing comment on the internet throws you off your game that easily and quickly, it's more likely that you haven't yet taken full responsibility for managing your mental illness.

Those things you spoke were acts, the fact that the perpetrators were mentally ill means nothing to me. Correlation does not imply causation. I'm sorry, but I think you are thinking largely on an emotional level. Well, too much so for my taste.

Your taste doesn't determine how people are allowed to speak. And actually, I didn't think the comment was emotional at all. I think you're misinterpreting what was said. I'm not sure which perpetrators are supposed to be mentally ill, but I would also question that that statement is true.

One can call me whatever they like for this, but often with the case of me people who express similar sentiments most often have practically half my IQ.

You haven't said anything that indicates you have a high IQ. No one here has said anything that indicates they have a low IQ, either. Your IQ is not double mine, for example. The highest IQ person ever tested, or even estimated, hasn't got double my IQ. If you think your IQ is higher than the highest IQ ever tested or estimated, you most likely have a delusion.

I think this remark is a product of a generic hostility that you have toward anyone who doesn't agree with you, toward people who don't agree sufficiently with you, and probably, in not too long a time interval, people who agree with you - and that happens, largely due to your own paranoia and hostility. These aspects of schizophrenia can get out of control when schizophrenia is treated inadequately, when recreational drugs interfere with medication, when under-reporting symptoms leads to inadequate prescribing, and so on.

That's due to the fact that the majority of the general public has half my IQ.

Actually, they aren't. Whatever your IQ is, the majority of the general public doesn't have half your IQ. Again, you may be stating this due to delusions about your intelligence.

I struggle already to not view them as inferiors in the first place, so when they try to tell me how I should be handled, be it directly or indirectly, personal or impersonal (and it is usually indirect and impersonal as I do nothing to warrant anything) I get, ehm, perturbed.

Your perturbation is unjustified. And again, most likely due to delusional thinking.

How would you enjoy it when you heard people you fight not to view as earth worms attempt to speak with authority over you, no matter how indirect or minutely?

If you think that's what's going on, you would be suffering from a delusion(or multiple delusions).

It will annoy me simply on grounds of association. Mostly, I hate most others with my condition and have no compassion for them.

The above statement calls into question, your claimed IQ. Hatred and grandiosity generally work at cross purposes to intelligence, and they generally oppose, block and interfere with, intelligence.


I do not relate to them at all. I don't go to outpatient talking things as I'd sit there and think "You pathetic weakling, shut up and quit making me look bad."

Again, delusional thinking and hostility.

When I go to my clinic, I sit away from others until I'm called and fight the urge to sneer at them as I try to put forth a humble appearance, which, most fall for. It's only online really that I can cut loose like this. That is not at all to say it's all their is too me.

I would expect that a person with an 'intelligence' double mine, would know how to correctly use the word 'their'.

Anyway... these people's weakness disgusts me as they are indirectly making me look bad.

Again. Delusional hostile thinking. The above statement is irrational.

The fact that they occasionally lose control, act funny, and require hospitalization reflects poorly on me.

Delusion.

Your words towards me here are an example of this. Sometimes I look upon these people and wonder if I've been misdiagnosed, surely I can't share a condition with them, truth is, I likely do.

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like you're sharing recovery, adjustment, compassion, empathy, or other indications of - intelligence.

Actually, I've been told directly, a number of times, that my high-IQ is largely what sets me apart. It's a major, if not the principle reason that I am high-functioning.

I'm not sure if you're high functioning. Your level of hostility and delusions about yourself and your importance and significance, suggest you're not functioning on a high level.

You know, people like me, people with this condition or others who control it as I do,

Again, this may be something of a delusion as well. I see no indication that you're controlling your illness.

they have my utmost respect. They are my kin .. in a sense my brothers, sisters, you know? These people who aren't high-functioning? I feel nothing in common with them. I feel no empathy for them. I can't lie, I simply don't.

Again.

Anyway... further, the way you speak rings of how the draconian British mental health system wants to begin detaining people with serious conditions before they've even done anything.

Yeah, what's the point in keeping someone from harming themselves? In lacking empathy for all but those you deem to reach your level of perfection, you are in fact, draconian yourself. Again, this is a delusional thought process at work, one, that mental health detentions are about violating criminal law, and two, that there is no reason to require assisted treatment except breaking the law.

There is actually some talk in the community of detaining them indefinitely without cause. This is largely championed by people acting on hysteria based around isolated incidents (read: mothers had a huge role in beginning the campaign, they also championed prohibition if you follow me), and also owes thanks to the ever so slightly more autocratic nature of governance there. That's not at all to say US governance nor anywhere else is brilliant either.

People like my friend who was mentally retarded, autistic and schizophrenic, die when they are out in the street. Oh, I forgot, they're inferior to you, so who cares if they die, right?

So when you concern yourself about the mentally ill, don't drag me into it. I'll concern myself with me, and I am very good at it. I suppose they need someone to be concerned about them, as I struggle to seeing as they reflect me poorly.

Again, this is a delusional idea - that someone else's mental illness reflects in any way, on you. Grandios thinking. I don't see any evidence that you're so good at taking care of yourself. No evidence.

If I am so dangerous, why did two countries let me become residents of their country and live in both long-term? Why could I own a gun if I so chose (I have no interest in owning a gun).

By the way, I never get out of control psychosis. I never get full-blown psychosis at all, actually. Not anywhere near it.

So you seem to believe.

Edit: I lived in the original posters country for many years. He doesn't exaggerate, and it indeed is not good at all. I actually was acquainted with one man there with schizoaffective disorder --and one of the nicest, and toughest men I knew-- and he told a tale of how he went to his GP complaining of side-effects from his medication and that he'd have liked to change to another, the doctor replied by saying he would call the police and have him strapped down and forcefully injected.

Maybe that's not really what happened.

I believed him, as I had the same GP as him. While a d--- to me as well, he never spoke to me that way. I don't get injections and have never done anything, I take pills myself and without supervision I might add (someone's completely misplaced condescension annoys me).

If you are taking medication, and it's being taken consistently, at an appropriate dose, then you need to use your own self-help skills, to work on the hostility and delusional thinking that remains.

With the sentiments you express, dear, you are my political and social enemy. It doesn't matter how much you profess to be my advocate, as for one, I do not require your advocacy. I don't like your views pertaining to me and I am opposed to not only said views -- but to you as well by extension.

Again, same statement as previous comment. You have a lot to work on. You may lack insight into how you interact with people, or how delusional you are. But hopefully, some day you'll figure it out, and start working on managing your hostility and your delusions.

-- Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:06 pm --

Sometimes I'll do things just to demonstrate/remind doctors that they've got no control over me. Like they'll ask me to stop by my 'med mentor' to check up with her before I go. I'll say "ok, sure" and then walk straight out. It's funny. So now they ask really politely "look, would you mind stopping by and talking to her?" I'll say "yeah, ok, no problem" and then walk out of the door.

Exactly who do you think gets hurt, ultimately, by such childish behavior?

I get treated special there now which was both my want and expectation.

scrubaus wrote:You know what's ###$ these snakes in suits come into your life and remove all of your rights and act like you are a free man or women but if you sit there and think about what I said you'll realize I have no rights & I have no freedom, my freedom is dangled in front of me like a person feeding a dog from reach, it's there to grab but at any moment they can snatch it away from you based on there perception and put you back away for as long as they feel nessescary.. for your own safety, the safety of others and your well being, okay so lets put it like this I go for a walk down the street and see a person walking a long I grab him of the street and lock him up, then release him but I can take away that freedom from that person at any time based on what I think.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY ######6 SENSE TO YOU?
So you give someone else the power over your life in their hands and when they feel the need or want to change something in your life they can do it because of a mental health act that discrimnates against mentally ill people that are disabled and have mental health problems, its basically saying this man or women can not look or after themselves or think for themselves so we'll do it for them.
But don't worry though we've got it all under control if we feel from our point of view you are experiencing a mental health episode we will remove you from society and lock you behind doors that are similar to prisons, not let you out when you want to go out and if we do it's only for 30 minutes supervised.
Oh and if you don't want to take medication well sucked in we are forcing you to take medication or you go to prison.
You don't think a mental facility isn't prison?
And smithywise you can sit there and say because of how other people have behaved with schizophrenia we should all be treated on one level that takes away the rights from someone that has a disability and puts the rights in another man or womens hands basically giving the power of someone's life into anothers hands?
you can sit there and be right with that?
So you also are basically stating that you've fallen into the trap of stigma with mental illness yourself yet you suffer from it?
Isn't the stigma that holds a majority of mentally ill back?
from employment, leading a happy life in society without boundaries?

WHAT IF
We rounded up all the muslims in our country and locked them up in the same scenario a mentally ill person was locked up/treated?
Took control over there lifes, when they've done nothing wrong?
Have I raped anyone, murdered anyone, stolen anything, attacked anyone?
Then why the fk do I get punished and put into a system that treats mentally ill worse then they treat people on parole/jail?

How can someone sit there and not understand what I'm saying? are you thick or something?
Someone can go rape someone and get 2-3 months in jail, I refuse to take my medication or hit someone out in public because I'm mentally ill I can be locked up in a facility that mirrors jail for longer then that period and only released when a few people feel it is time for me to be released.

and who the ###$ are these people? you can put trust into a random person that you have no knowledge about?
when you go into your next dr appointment sit there and think who is that person you are speaking to, do you know this person? or do you know the facade that.. that person puts on while in the workforce/talking to you.

Yeah i'm suppose to trust someone that puts on a show with my life as well? okay okay guys all good I'll just bow down and get it up the ass by these people.
GIVE ME A CHOICE NOT FORCE SOMETHING ON ME.
###$.

Don't worry guys it's all for my safety the SAFETY OF OTHERS and my well being.
These @@@@@@@ don't give a F about me.
Don't forget this is just something that pays their bills at the end of the day, they're there to work if there was no pay these people wouldn't be there for you, they are against you not for you.
They act like they are there for you, but they really don't give a F when they close there eyes and go to sleep at night, it's just what they do currently for a LIVING, and they can sleep fine with it.

JUST GIVE A MAN OR WOMEN A CHOICE.
thanks for you time.

-scrub

smithywise wrote:Well a lot of the time, we have the opposite problem in the US. Every day, it seems, the news reports that some person off their meds shoots up a school or theatre and kills a bunch of people, and always before that, there was the psychiatrist begging the hospital to have the person stay at the hospital longer, get stable on medication.

So one guy shot up a school and killed a bunch of little children and their teachers. Little bitty kids. These are innocent little kids. They never hurt anyone. Their parent's lives are ruined forever. Many of the parents won't survive - that's what happens. Another guy killed over a dozen people who were sitting in a theatre watching a movie. Nobody he knew.

Parents and spouses and friends get shot or stabbed all the time. Police also get shot and killed.

Because the person is psychotic and out of their head thinking something is trying to hurt them. It's not the sick person's fault, they aren't being mean intentionally. They're ill.

People freeze to death on the street because they are too psychotic to go into a shelter when it's 20 degrees below zero. People get frostbite and lose toes, feet, legs, and get permanently crippled, because they refuse help and are too psychotic to come inside. People die from alcoholism and drug use because there is no involuntary treatment.

My friend's son died that way, another lady I knew, her son dug his eyes out with a steak knife and she found him in her kitchen when she came home from the store. There was blood spattered around so much that it was even on the ceiling. Two of the social workers I knew were shot to death by psychotic patients.

The person I loved most in my life died that way. He was mentally retarded, autistic and schizophrenic. He thought if he hit his head he'd be all better, so he jumped off a bridge - a very tall bridge. He didn't want to commit suicide. He didn't even know what suicide was, or what death was. It took people 8 hrs to find him and he lived for almost 8 hours, during which he was conscious and in horrible pain with fractures and internal injuries. He suffered more than anyone could even imagine. Because someone forgot to do some paper work to extend his hospitalization.

I've been to too many funerals.

I don't like to be forceful to people, I'd rather make a bond with the person, get their trust through being respectful and kind, try to advise them that medication could help, if it's prescribed and used correctly.

Some people are just too ill for anyone to gain their trust, they can't discuss medication rationally or learn how to make it work for them. If someone doesn't do something, they are going to die, and maybe harm others at the same time.

Some years ago, I was walking to the bus and I saw a man sitting in the middle of a very, very busy 4 lane street. he was drawing on a stack of newspapers and talking to himself. Several people had tried to get him out of the street but he just screamed at them and they retreated. The traffic was four lanes, very fast, and the drivers couldn't see him even if they tried, because he was sitting.

I walked out, weaving between cars. There he was, just sitting on the pavement, drawing a big circle on each sheet of newspaper, then tearing it off and drawing a circle on the next sheet of newspaper.

I said very very gently, 'Could you please come over to the sidewalk with me? I'm scared you might get hit by a car'.

He walked very calmly with me to the sidewalk.

The next time I heard anything about him, a friend saw him, he was being loaded into an ambulance.

I don't know if he survived. I never saw him again, so maybe he died then. Or maybe later.

There is a point at which, I feel, yes, some pressure must be put on some people, that they have to get help. I wish it never came to that with anyone.

But no, I don't want to go to any more funerals. I'm sick of funerals. I'm sick of missing people I love, who are dead, who didn't need to die and died for no reason. I'm sick of hearing about the grisly ways in which psychotic people kill themselves and others, without ever meaning to or being suicidal - just because of delusions.

I am not convinced that Australia is really mass forcing all people with any diagnosis, to take meds and then is killing them. I'm not convinced that every diagnosis in Australia is wrong. I'm not convinced that every psychotic person can survive without treatment.

My information states that involuntary inpatient and outpatient laws exist in Australia, and that people who have been judged a danger to self or others can find themselves being required to take medication. The police have to be the ones to take them to the hospital because no one else can or will do it.

Some people are never going to agree with that in any case; maybe they just like to go to funerals.

I do not believe that is done to everyone, and I don't believe that it is always a violation of rights, as some people are so sick, if they don't have someone insisting they get treatment, they're going to die, maybe harming others as well.

I don't like forcing anyone to do anything. But if the alternative is to stand there and watch them and possibly others die, I accept it as an unpleasant necessity.

scrubaus wrote:This is the truth about being schizophrenic in australia and how you are treated according to the mental health act in Australia. This also goes for most mental illnesses in Australia because they are all under one mental health act but schizophrenia is treated more harshly then other illnesses due to stigma.

I'll start with my story:
I was diagnosed with drug induced psychosis at the age of 19, a year later I was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.
At the age of 19, I was placed into a mental health facility for drug induced psychosis for a week,
I was released on a thing called an involuntary treatment order.
An involuntary treatment order is pretty simple - you have to go to regular meetings with a Dr & Case manager whenever they feel the need for you to have one.
If you don't show up, you'll get a notice if you don't abide by that notice you'll than get a knock on your door by 2-3 police officers ready to escort you to a mental health facility where you could stay until the Dr. / Case manager feels they are ready to release you, usually being a minimum of 1 week and a maximum of 6 months.
At the age of 20 I was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic I was on a community treatment order after having my involuntary treatment downgraded from involuntary to community throughout the year of being drug induced psychotic - when I was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic I was immediately put on an involuntary treatment order but I refused to take medication so later that day.. low and behold I got a knock on the door by 2-3 police officers and was arrested and taken to a mental health facility where I stayed for 1-2 weeks and forced to take medication or I wouldn't be released after 1-2 weeks I was released from the hospital and was back on my way back to a normal life.. or so I would think.

The last part happened just over a year ago now, being diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.
Now a year has passed this is what I've learn't so far.
I have no rights in Australia.
I can be unwillingly arrested at any time.
I can be harrased by police officers for no reason because of my mental condition.
I'm force fed a medication into my arm once a month without my consent.
I'm forced to take regular meetings with a specalist/dr & see a case manager

But it's all okay, once my involuntary treatment order is downgraded to a community treatment order I will have a choice in all of this right? No, If I refuse to take medication I'll be placed back onto an involuntary treatment order and placed into a mental health hospital.

Now let's take a look at what this does to a person's life.
Client Is working full time, has a house of his own and is to take medication,
Client feels the need to not take medication anymore because of some reason (unknown)
Client then is arrested from his home, taken to a mental health facility (locked in a psych ward)
And forced to take medication, if client refuses client will be held down by numerous people and be force fed the medication, client could spend anywhere from 1 week to 6 months in psych ward for not complining, client then is released and finds his lost his job, his home and all of his house hold items have been repossesed.
Client now has no real meaning in life, Client commits suicide.
Mental health act blames it on clients state of mind, client is just another number/piece of paper that has been lost in process, Client goes to his death bed knowing that he was a prisoner the whole time in his own country.

This is the truth about mental health in australia.
Wether you comply or don't comply you are a prisoner in your own country,
you can be arrested and placed into a psych ward( which is basically a jail ) for the mentally ill for doing no wrong.
People can commit robberies in this country and get jail time and be out before you are out of a psych ward for not taking medication, the government runs your life.
You have no say, if you have a problem try find a lawyer that will sue the government.. wait no one will because the mental health act in australia is one of the toughest in the country.

And imagine at the end of it if the client was never mentally ill, he was miss diagnosed but classed as delusional the whole time.

Oh and the whole time you are being treated at the mental health, it's all for your own safety and your own sake and to keep you mentally well, but just remember if you don't comply due to safety of others and yourself we have to do all of these things to you.

Just something to think about people.

-- Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:45 pm --

There are people in this country that move from house to house and all over the country (staying with mates) staying at caravan parks and all sorts to get away from the mental health system in this country.

scrubaus wrote:You know what's ###$ these snakes in suits come into your life and remove all of your rights and act like you are a free man or women but if you sit there and think about what I said you'll realize I have no rights & I have no freedom, my freedom is dangled in front of me like a person feeding a dog from reach, it's there to grab but at any moment they can snatch it away from you based on there perception and put you back away for as long as they feel nessescary.. for your own safety, the safety of others and your well being, okay so lets put it like this I go for a walk down the street and see a person walking a long I grab him of the street and lock him up, then release him but I can take away that freedom from that person at any time based on what I think.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY ######6 SENSE TO YOU?
So you give someone else the power over your life in their hands and when they feel the need or want to change something in your life they can do it because of a mental health act that discrimnates against mentally ill people that are disabled and have mental health problems, its basically saying this man or women can not look or after themselves or think for themselves so we'll do it for them.
But don't worry though we've got it all under control if we feel from our point of view you are experiencing a mental health episode we will remove you from society and lock you behind doors that are similar to prisons, not let you out when you want to go out and if we do it's only for 30 minutes supervised.
Oh and if you don't want to take medication well sucked in we are forcing you to take medication or you go to prison.
You don't think a mental facility isn't prison?
And smithywise you can sit there and say because of how other people have behaved with schizophrenia we should all be treated on one level that takes away the rights from someone that has a disability and puts the rights in another man or womens hands basically giving the power of someone's life into anothers hands?
you can sit there and be right with that?
So you also are basically stating that you've fallen into the trap of stigma with mental illness yourself yet you suffer from it?
Isn't the stigma that holds a majority of mentally ill back?
from employment, leading a happy life in society without boundaries?

WHAT IF
We rounded up all the muslims in our country and locked them up in the same scenario a mentally ill person was locked up/treated?
Took control over there lifes, when they've done nothing wrong?
Have I raped anyone, murdered anyone, stolen anything, attacked anyone?
Then why the fk do I get punished and put into a system that treats mentally ill worse then they treat people on parole/jail?

How can someone sit there and not understand what I'm saying? are you thick or something?
Someone can go rape someone and get 2-3 months in jail, I refuse to take my medication or hit someone out in public because I'm mentally ill I can be locked up in a facility that mirrors jail for longer then that period and only released when a few people feel it is time for me to be released.

and who the ###$ are these people? you can put trust into a random person that you have no knowledge about?
when you go into your next dr appointment sit there and think who is that person you are speaking to, do you know this person? or do you know the facade that.. that person puts on while in the workforce/talking to you.

Yeah i'm suppose to trust someone that puts on a show with my life as well? okay okay guys all good I'll just bow down and get it up the ass by these people.
GIVE ME A CHOICE NOT FORCE SOMETHING ON ME.
###$.

Don't worry guys it's all for my safety the SAFETY OF OTHERS and my well being.
These @@@@@@@ don't give a F about me.
Don't forget this is just something that pays their bills at the end of the day, they're there to work if there was no pay these people wouldn't be there for you, they are against you not for you.
They act like they are there for you, but they really don't give a F when they close there eyes and go to sleep at night, it's just what they do currently for a LIVING, and they can sleep fine with it.

JUST GIVE A MAN OR WOMEN A CHOICE.
thanks for you time.

-scrub

scrubaus wrote:You know what's ###$ these snakes in suits come into your life and remove all of your rights and act like you are a free man or women but if you sit there and think about what I said you'll realize I have no rights & I have no freedom, my freedom is dangled in front of me like a person feeding a dog from reach, it's there to grab but at any moment they can snatch it away from you based on there perception and put you back away for as long as they feel nessescary.. for your own safety, the safety of others and your well being, okay so lets put it like this I go for a walk down the street and see a person walking a long I grab him of the street and lock him up, then release him but I can take away that freedom from that person at any time based on what I think.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY ######6 SENSE TO YOU?
So you give someone else the power over your life in their hands and when they feel the need or want to change something in your life they can do it because of a mental health act that discrimnates against mentally ill people that are disabled and have mental health problems, its basically saying this man or women can not look or after themselves or think for themselves so we'll do it for them.
But don't worry though we've got it all under control if we feel from our point of view you are experiencing a mental health episode we will remove you from society and lock you behind doors that are similar to prisons, not let you out when you want to go out and if we do it's only for 30 minutes supervised.
Oh and if you don't want to take medication well sucked in we are forcing you to take medication or you go to prison.
You don't think a mental facility isn't prison?
And smithywise you can sit there and say because of how other people have behaved with schizophrenia we should all be treated on one level that takes away the rights from someone that has a disability and puts the rights in another man or womens hands basically giving the power of someone's life into anothers hands?
you can sit there and be right with that?
So you also are basically stating that you've fallen into the trap of stigma with mental illness yourself yet you suffer from it?
Isn't the stigma that holds a majority of mentally ill back?
from employment, leading a happy life in society without boundaries?

WHAT IF
We rounded up all the muslims in our country and locked them up in the same scenario a mentally ill person was locked up/treated?
Took control over there lifes, when they've done nothing wrong?
Have I raped anyone, murdered anyone, stolen anything, attacked anyone?
Then why the fk do I get punished and put into a system that treats mentally ill worse then they treat people on parole/jail?

How can someone sit there and not understand what I'm saying? are you thick or something?
Someone can go rape someone and get 2-3 months in jail, I refuse to take my medication or hit someone out in public because I'm mentally ill I can be locked up in a facility that mirrors jail for longer then that period and only released when a few people feel it is time for me to be released.

and who the ###$ are these people? you can put trust into a random person that you have no knowledge about?
when you go into your next dr appointment sit there and think who is that person you are speaking to, do you know this person? or do you know the facade that.. that person puts on while in the workforce/talking to you.

Yeah i'm suppose to trust someone that puts on a show with my life as well? okay okay guys all good I'll just bow down and get it up the ass by these people.
GIVE ME A CHOICE NOT FORCE SOMETHING ON ME.
###$.

Don't worry guys it's all for my safety the SAFETY OF OTHERS and my well being.
These @@@@@@@ don't give a F about me.
Don't forget this is just something that pays their bills at the end of the day, they're there to work if there was no pay these people wouldn't be there for you, they are against you not for you.
They act like they are there for you, but they really don't give a F when they close there eyes and go to sleep at night, it's just what they do currently for a LIVING, and they can sleep fine with it.

JUST GIVE A MAN OR WOMEN A CHOICE.
thanks for you time.

-scrub

Cledwyn Bulbs wrote:As for all this talk about "mental illnesses" at the root of these school shootings, such theories are being advanced and believed so readily because they provide a rationale for doing something that people erroneously believe will remedy the violence, whilst also satsifying the community's need to discharge the frustration and anger occasioned in response to catastrophe (be it the plague, school shootings, famine etc.,) onto some group of individuals who, without being able to blame the stars or some abstraction for their problems, can be scapegoated for the kind of catastrophe which creates the requisite climate within which the scapegoating mechanism is activated.

smithywise wrote:Depending on the type of murder (of a spouse, parent, etc) 12-25% of murders, are committed by a person who is mentally ill and off treatment.

That's a lot.

I'll look it up, but I think the numbers are, that people with schizophrenia are about 7 times more likely to commit a violent crime than the general population is.

Cledwyn Bulbs wrote:As for all this talk about "mental illnesses" at the root of these school shootings, such theories are being advanced and believed so readily because they provide a rationale for doing something that people erroneously believe will remedy the violence, whilst also satsifying the community's need to discharge the frustration and anger occasioned in response to catastrophe (be it the plague, school shootings, famine etc.,) onto some group of individuals who, without being able to blame the stars or some abstraction for their problems, can be scapegoated for the kind of catastrophe which creates the requisite climate within which the scapegoating mechanism is activated.