Alleged Schizophrenic Boy is Shot and Killed by Police

family members are worthless when dealing with these people

Published: Thursday, February 13, 2014 at 4:08 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 13, 2014 at 6:19 p.m.

Detective indicted in teen's shooting death



The grand jury was given the directions to decide if Vassey should be indicted on second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter or not be charged at all.

After listening for hours to all the facts, it was their collective judgment that Vassey be indicted on voluntary manslaughter.

"After I reviewed the case I found that a crime almost certainly did take place," explained David. "It was a 'bad shoot.' A grand jury has agreed."

The judge set Vassey's bond at $50,000 and he must turn himself in by noon Wednesday. The detective turned himself in around 9:30 Tuesday night.

Friend of the family, Anthony Owens, was not happy with the fact that Vassey had 48 hours to turn himself in.

http://www.wncn.com/story/24624422/detective-indicted-in-teens-shooting-death

Sad that some people will take this as a win. Society is in bad shape when you have law enforcement, doctors, judges, and politicians making such critical decisions.

1013 victim wrote:Sad that some people will take this as a win. Society is in bad shape when you have law enforcement, doctors, judges, and politicians making such critical decisions.

I wouldn't be an issue if people knew what they were doing. Ignorance and lack of education play a major role.


Police often have no idea how to handle a mentally ill person let alone identify one. The average cop only spends a day or two taking courses on how to deal with the mentally ill, and the material is sucky. Police often use compliance by force, however a mentally ill person may have no idea what they are being told to do and excessive force of any kind by police agitates them more, hence why police encounters with the mentally ill often escalate so quickly.

The whole point is to calm, and restrain if needed. Police should be taught restraint of unstable people rather than beating or kicking them. But again the training some law enforcement academies give police is criminal keeping them ignorant on how to manage a crisis correctly.

Also what cops don't understand is a huge difference between a criminal and mentally ill person. A criminal is aware of what they are doing and often has an intent, a mentally ill person doesn't know what they are doing.


The story is unbelievably said. No doubt in my mind the cop should go to jail.

I have seen psychiatrists restrain very dangerous patients (yes a few even had torn a leg off a chair with the intent to stab) some even larger than them without incident. I fail to see what a 90 pound kid was able of doing.

Classic case of impulsiveness and ignorance.

Tue, 05/20/2014 - 1:40pm.

Attorney: Wife of officer charged with killing teen threatened by victim's mom

"Payne alleges that Wilsey approached Victoria Vassey and said, "I'm gonna burn your (expletive deleted) house down and every (expletive deleted) body in it."

http://portcitydaily.com/2014/05/22/attorney-claims-slain-teens-mother-threatened-officers-wife-family-denies-allegations/

This story is not over, Officer Bryon Vassey claimed he shot Keith Vidal in self defense while the teen was suffering from an "episode" at the Vidals' home in January.

Copy_Cat wrote:Tue, 05/20/2014 - 1:40pm.

Attorney: Wife of officer charged with killing teen threatened by victim's mom

"Payne alleges that Wilsey approached Victoria Vassey and said, "I'm gonna burn your (expletive deleted) house down and every (expletive deleted) body in it."

http://portcitydaily.com/2014/05/22/attorney-claims-slain-teens-mother-threatened-officers-wife-family-denies-allegations/

This story is not over, Officer Bryon Vassey claimed he shot Keith Vidal in self defense while the teen was suffering from an "episode" at the Vidals' home in January.

Self defense? An unarmed 90 pound kid vs a bunch of cops? They wouldnt even need to tase him, just a quick take down they learn in their donut eating police academy with uhh 2 weeks of training and think they are Bruce Lee would suffice.

Funny part is that swine will probably not even get prosecuted, remember these words "America, Land of the Free!!! Free to the POWER and the PEOPLE IN UNIFORM!!

P0ci wrote:Self defense? An unarmed 90 pound kid vs a bunch of cops? They wouldnt even need to tase him, just a quick take down they learn in their donut eating police academy with uhh 2 weeks of training and think they are Bruce Lee would suffice.

Funny part is that swine will probably not even get prosecuted, remember these words "America, Land of the Free!!! Free to the POWER and the PEOPLE IN UNIFORM!!

Police group: Detective who fatally shot mentally ill teen acted justly.

"(The) detective ... employed authorized law enforcement action to stop the continuing threat of deadly harm to (the officer) and others," the Police Benevolent Association concluded.

"We can say, based on our preliminary findings, that we are very confident that the officers did what they should have under state law," the law enforcement trade association's director, John Midgette, said Wednesday night. "It's a very tragic situation, but we do believe the officers."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/justice/north-carolina-teen-killed/

Did what they should have under state law... OMG !

Here is a website about police who were "acting justly" and "state law"

http://www.policestateusa.com

So basically cold-blooded murder of the mentally ill is standard operating procedure. Gun them down, and lick the barrel afterwards.

Something like this happening to me during a mixed episode would very likely escalate the situation catastrophically in seconds if I'm cornered. This is why everyone around me knows to keep calm and not flip out and call 9-1-1 because I place poor odds on surviving the resulting encounter.

It's just so predictable.

Posted: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 12:00 pm

Over a year has passed, yet no trial date for policeman who killed teen in own home

http://stateportpilot.com/topstory/article_6a739198-9680-11e4-b2d5-f39b55c54548.html

What are they waiting for ?

-- Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:37 pm --

sixprime wrote:So basically cold-blooded murder of the mentally ill is standard operating procedure. Gun them down, and lick the barrel afterwards.

Something like this happening to me during a mixed episode would very likely escalate the situation catastrophically in seconds if I'm cornered. This is why everyone around me knows to keep calm and not flip out and call 9-1-1 because I place poor odds on surviving the resulting encounter.

It's just so predictable.

I know right, what ever is going on with a person is usually bad enough without adding the very worst possible thing to it, psycho cops and there cars parked all stupid with lights flashing outside to attract all the neighbors.

I wonder if the NAMI website is still encouraging families to call police to "get help" . I am going to check it out.

This is truly a human tragedy.

Without a doubt poorly trained officers did more harm than good. And FWIW the officer is further protected by his colleagues even if any wrong doing did take place.

Cases like this without a doubt are an example of a broken system. When a person becomes ill he or she is given a marry go round of drugs until one just happens to work, and if there is a problem just call the police. Unfortunately the police are the last ones equipped to deal with mentally ill people.

Criminal justice is a 200 year old concept drafted up at a time where it was believed all people broke the law because they are aware of what they are doing and punishment would force them to comply. Unfortunately that is not always the case. Many, many who brake the law are ill, and have no clue what they are doing or what is happening to them. Criminal justice still has trouble admitting that to be the case.

Officers today are very poorly trained. Training on how to handle illness is only a day or two, the course it just mediocre. If anything it just tells officers, "yaahhh, one or two of these bad guys might have a screw loose, just be aware of that" Officers still walk away with the notion that if a person is mentally ill just force them to comply. They are not taught verbal de-escalation, restraint or how to identify illness.


If anything they often escalate is situation trying to be intimidating, shouting, angry, hostile. Procedures that officers are led to believe help them and the person do nothing but escalate the situation. A good example is asking people to sit down and cross their legs in the event that if they try to run away an officer will see them trying to do so giving them time to respond. With a mentally ill person that is impossible to do. The officer does not understand the person is disobeying because the are ill, rather they see that as none compliance or getting ready to fight. The officer's trained response to the just escalates the situation out of control.


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I have seen therapeutic restraint in clinics and hospitals. Compliance is not a priority. EVERYTHING is centered around both verbal / neuro linguistic de-escalation and therapeutic multi point restraint. Further an emphasis is placed on keeping hands away from vital points while using as little force as necessary to immobilize the patients. Limbs are placed in ergonomically difficult to move positions while the patient is rotated around making sure minimal injury takes place as the person is placed on soft surfaces. Injection is given where needed. During the entire procedure nurses as well as those doing the restraint make sure the patient is breathing. The mouth is kept open and tongue kept forward while any fluid is wiped up. An emphasis is made not to obstruct airways or neck arteries. Take down is never done through the neck. "Choke holds" that police are trained to give are specifically avoided. If any vital signs raise a flag emergency aid is called upon to be administered immediately.

Since cops show up in batches I see no reason why a modified version of this can not be carried out. It takes training, but once learned deadly force is not needed.

I have witnessed a man break off a sharp metal leg from a table trying to stab others with it. A nurse half his size took him down, pulled the metal to the side and had him immobilized as other nurses took over. She had training that officers never get.

All officers are trained to do is yell, baton, tazor when someone is not listening and shoot when threatened. Police brutality will continue unless something changes.

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