Involuntary psychiatry is punishment and therefor illegal

by **Copy_Cat** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:49 am

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitud

“We can now answer the question: How do psychiatrists acquire psychiatric slaves? The oldest method of psychiatric slave-catching consists of creating a special class of persons, originally called ’the mad’ or ’insane,’ now called ’the mentally ill’ or ’mentally ill and dangerous’; a special class of doctors, originally called ’mad-doctors’ and ’alienists,’ now called ’psychiatrists’; a special class of quasi-prisons, originally called ’mad-houses’ or ’insane asylums,’ now called ’mental hospitals’; and a special class of laws, called ’mental health laws,’ that authorize psychiatrists to forcibly confine mental patients in mental hospitals. This method of catching slaves has been used for three hundred years and is still the basic tool of the slave catcher.”

Source: Liberation by Oppression: A Comparative Study of Slavery and Psychiatry
By Thomas Szasz

"Involuntary servitude" or is it just a clever way to rip off your insurance company ?

What's the difference between psychiatric punishment and criminal punishment ?

The difference is that patients have to endure drug rapes (coerced medication) and do not know when they could go home.

The difference is that criminals are entitled to Due Process of Law a fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

A defendant is guaranteed the right to a public trial under the Sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution. The right to a public trial is also an element of the defendant's due process rights, which rights are guaranteed under the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. In addition, states have enacted provisions in their constitutions that guarantee a defendant's right to a public trial. The public also has a right to attend criminal trials under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

The purpose of a public trial is to prevent abuses in secret proceedings like those done in the back room at 'hospitals', which abuses lead to the oppression of an accused person. Another purpose is to guarantee that the accused person has been prosecuted in a fair and just manner.

Psychiatric prisoners don't get a jury trial before being deprived of liberty and property.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
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Our previous research has focussed on how to reduce of conflict and containment on
acute wards. By conflict we mean those things that threaten patient and staff safety,
such as aggression, rule breaking, drug/alcohol use, absconding, medication refusal,
self-harm/suicide etc. By containment we mean those things the staff do to prevent
these things occurring, or reduce the amount of harm that occurs, such as giving extra
medication, intermittent observation, constant observation, show of force, manual
restraint, coerced injections of medication, seclusion, time out, locking of the ward
door, and other security policies.

Inpatient violence and aggression: a literature review
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/iop/depts/hspr/research/ciemh/mhn/projects/litreview/LitRevAgg.pdf
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by **Copy_Cat** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:26 pm

I saw some horrific stuff going on behind the closed and locked doors of psychiatry , I saw a teen girl given ECT cause she would yell "I hate this F-ing hospital, I want to go home ! "

I spent a week with this girl, she was very rebellious yes, insane in anyway no. Psychiatry is a disgusting evil thing posing as a "healing profession".

I saw alot of drug rapes as well, what kind of evil things did you see them do to people 1013 ?

by **1013 victim** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:33 pm

Copy_Cat wrote:I saw some horrific stuff going on behind the closed and locked doors of psychiatry , I saw a teen girl given ECT cause she would yell "I hate this F-ing hospital, I want to go home ! "

I spent a week with this girl, she was very rebellious yes, insane in anyway no. Psychiatry is a disgusting evil thing posing as a "healing profession".

I saw alot of drug rapes as well, what kind of evil things did you see them do to people 1013 ?

I can't speak on many things because I am still going to pursue every bit of recourse I have. What I will speak on is there were 2 women who spoke out about some guy claiming he was going to come into there rooms overnight when I was there. Fast forward a couple of months later I look in the paper and some guy got arrested for assaulting two women at the facility. If they had have taken preventive measures after that situation when the two women spoke out this could have been avoided

by **Devilock** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:48 am

I saw an 80 yr old lady strapped to her bed being taken for ECT shouting NO I DONT WANT TO I DONT WANT TO HAVE IT, and crying the whole while. Just the fact she was like 80 , was discustingly horrible.
I saw a teenage boy who had an abusive mother who we had talked about, and when she came into visit him she kept giving me dirty looks and looking at me in a smug way. The dr asked the boy would u like to go on an overnight with yr mother he smiled widely and said "OH yes!" I saw the mother talk to him inappropriately and touch him in a suss way.
I saw a girl in her 20s cut her wrists up because she wanted to go home crying the whole time, blood everywhere.
I had a mh professional give me a depot whilst he pushed his groin into mine, ive been scared of him since and had to deal with him on other occasions. My abusive mother is good friends with him (makes sense hey).
I've heard countless women and men crying to the nurses (not that they cared) that they wanted to go home and they were so upset here, that they didn't feel free)
I've had a registrar come up to me (note:i needed a blood test and they were having trouble getting a vein), and say were going to have to go thru your articlur? is that it? the MAIN vein in your thigh that if opened u can die from bleeding to death, it runs all up your body. Yes so he TOLD me that's what he was going to do, luckily at this stage I could stand up for myself and I said 'no way your doing that',(thank god I knew the danger of doing that, some poor other person may not have) they eventually got one on my foot! He was just a weirdo, he also accused me of lying that I didn't hear voices, after askig me if I heard voices and I said no he said "well, we know you might be lying, so we're going to keep you on this medication, some ppl do lie about this stuff"!!!
I remember a middle aged woman crying all the time about her young baby who was sexually molested by her then partner, she just needed to talk to someone and no one would listen. Someone asked her to call the police and she said they don't believe her becuae shes been 'in here' (ie. HOspital/facility) can u imaine? this guy just getting away with it because shes so truamatised shes ended up in a facility and now no one/ the police don't believe it. Despicable.
A lovely 30ish aged woman who had absolutely lovely nature and her husband had decided to commit her to the facility to do with divorce matters, not sure of details but she said hes got other girlfriends and this way he will get the house etc. Apparently he said she got 'manic', who wouldn't with a husband like that?

Many many more things.

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Just quickly forgot to mention one other thing, when I was in there I had been chatting to this guy with tattoos, he seemed ok for a chat anyway. I then found out from my new roommate that he had been in jail for Murder!, I found out that the 'hospital' where I usually got locked up in was mixed with criminals and mental health ppl. I was extra scared because of that because I've actually been a witness for a crime.
My roommate told me (she was good friends with this *one* nice nurse) that the nurse said 'I never where my beeper/alarm, except when hes around'
OH my GOd! All these vulnerable ppl being mixed in with criminals, and its not publisised either, but I found out, if the criminals in jail are sick or 'mentally unhealthy' or going thru a breakdown , they can get leave to come to this particular facility! Unbeleivable.

by **Copy_Cat** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:02 pm

Devilock wrote:I saw...

Me too, alot of nasty stuff. The despair when people were calling there families for help cause of all the abuse and the families ignoring them cause they think they are making it up cause they don't want to stay and get "help".

More on psychiatry as punishment:

Cruel and unusual punishment is a phrase describing punishment which is considered unacceptable due to the suffering, pain, or humiliation it inflicts on the person subjected to it...

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_ ... punishment

In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
"A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
"A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
"A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

The eminent theologian C. S. Lewis wrote:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult...

To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. But to be punished, however severely, because we have deserved it, because we 'ought to have known better', is to be treated as a human person made in God's image...

And when they are wicked the Humanitarian theory of punishment will put in their hands a finer instrument of tyranny than wickedness ever had before...

The new Nero will approach us with the silky manners of a doctor, and though all will be in fact as compulsory as the tunica molesta or Smithfield or Tyburn, all will go on within the unemotional therapeutic sphere where words like 'right' and 'wrong' or 'freedom' and 'slavery' are never heard...

Even if the treatment is painful, even if it is life-long, even if it is fatal, that will be only a regrettable accident; the intention was purely therapeutic...

But because they are 'treatment, not punishment, they can be criticized only by fellow-experts and on technical grounds, never by men as men and on grounds of justice...

C. S. Lewis, "The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment"

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This reminds me of a post from about a year ago,

chris87 wrote:After being in a psych hospital twice, I feel like I've had some very interesting experiences. Prior to May 2012, I had never been in one. This all changed when I had severe suicide ideation and was involuntarily committed. It wasn't a bad facility, but it really didn't help me.

As a result, I ended up back in the hospital in June (a different one this time). What a nightmare. They prescribed me Wellbutrin (150mg), but I wasn't sure if I wanted to take it (I was intending to start taking Dexedrine again for my ADHD, so I thought it would be pointless to take Wellbutrin. It did nothing for me in the past). I declined for a few days, and the doctor ended up increasing it to 300mg. I told the nurse that I decided I would be okay taking it but wanted the doctor to reduce it to 150. I didn't want to start on such a high dose, and the XL tablet can't be split in half. The staff refused to do this, so I refused the medication. I found out one afternoon that the doctor had put in a request to take me to court for medication noncompliance.

They never even bothered to tell me, and I wasn't given a copy of the paperwork. I went the following morning, and the judge didn't listen to a word that I said. It was awful. Because I had lost, the hospital now had permission to give me an injection. I called my PDoc, and he told me not to worry, since Wellbutrin isn't injectable. Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple.

The following morning, I called my mom at 10 AM. At 10:05 one of the Psych Techs told me that I had to get off the phone, because my "15 minutes was up." I calmly said that it hadn't been 15 minutes, but she persisted. I got annoyed, but I didn't do anything crazy (scream, throw a fit, etc.) I just said, "You obviously don't know how to count, because it's only been 5 minutes." I know that I wasn't exactly nice, but like I said, I didn't act violently or do anything ridiculous.

About 15 minutes later, the medication nurse said they had new medicine for me...Prolixin and Cogentin. I told them there was no way that I was taking that medication. I have ADHD...the last thing I want to take is an Antipsychotic which will make my concentration even worse. I could understand if I had bipolar disorder or suffered from schizophrenia, but thankfully, I don't have either illness. Later that night, the nurse said "you know we're going to give you an injection."

Sure enough, they came in my room to inject me. I thought this was crazy. I remember almost being in tears. I kept saying, please don't inject me. Please. I don't want to take this medication. They held me down and did it anyway. I know they're just following the doctor's orders, but it's so demoralizing.

I believe I got the injection around 8:15 PM, and I fell asleep shortly thereafter. It knocked me totally out, and I couldn't even wake up for vitals at 6:00 AM the following morning. After getting out of bed, I felt so sick. I had this horrible uneasiness and awful fatigue. I can't describe it at all, but it was one of the worst feelings that I've ever felt. They locked my door, so I couldn't even go in my room to lay down. I literally put a blanket in front of my door and tried to rest on the floor. Instead of feeling better, I almost felt traumatized and on the verge of suicide. If someone handed me a gun at that moment, I would have killed myself.

I saw my doctor a short time afterward and begged her to discharge me. I told her that I was fine and was not a suicide risk. I was so afraid of getting injected again, that I exaggerated about how I felt. She kept saying that they gave me the antipsychotic, because I was too rigid with my thinking.

After finally getting the staff to unlock my door (I said that I needed to shower), I slept almost the entire day. Thankfully, they didn't bother me. I was awoken by the social worker who informed me that I would be leaving the following morning. I had never been so happy in my life.

When I got up the next day, I was in a decent mood. I went down for breakfast, and while waiting to enter the cafeteria, I felt strange. I didn't know what was happening, but my toes and joints seemed to be pulling in strange directions. I didn't think anything of it until I was eating and my head started twisting to the side. I must have looked ridiculous and got up to walk to the trash area. My body was in so much pain and so contorted. One of the patients on my floor saw me and immediately asked if I was okay. I was so embarrassed, but fortunately, he got the staff who took me back to the unit. The nurse said immediately that it was EPS/dystonia and was a reaction to the Antipsychotic injection. I got a 50mg injection of benadryl in each arm, and thankfully, it subsided shortly thereafter.

Needless to say, this was such a terrible experience. I hope that I am never in a position where I have to go back to the hospital, but if I were, I wonder if it would be better to just end my life. It was just an awful experience and something that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I'm afraid to ever be in one of these places again. I actually feel like it traumatized me more than anything.

I'm not even that bad of a person. I minded my own business, didn't bother anyone, and tried to think about everything that was bothering me.

Is this a normal experience? Is this what usually happens? I appreciate any input!

That thread is here if anyone wants to read it. posting.php?mode=quote&f=241&p=882658

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