-SIMPLE,- MIGHT BE THE ANSWER....

What do I mean when I say that if you keep it -SIMPLE- you might have a reasonable chance of real recovery.... The only people with serious mental illness that seemed to have real recovery were people who understood that they had to keep it -SIMPLE-...
Example, if you have serious depression and use simple laughter and or humor etc. as much as possible, continuously, day after day by caregivers, relatives, friends etc. and yourself you might see yourself dealing successfully with your depression.... Let me repeat, if you keep your problems as simple as you can and you use laughter and humor etc. and everybody around you is positive and full of life etc.... Think and do -SIMPLE- ideas and actions etc., you will be better off....

I agree.

you have to be careful around here saying people with serious mental illness, that can be seen as labeling

I don't know what 'serious mental illness' is, except a term used to describe ppl that's behavior is annoying/not submissive to the norm. Including extreme states. This term is extremely derogative and stereotypical and we all know no one thinks highly of ppl with mental illness especially 'serious mental illness'.

I agree on your point in keeping it simple, it reminds me of something I was taught in counseling, mindfulness, read a funny book, go for a swim, try to change the bad/sad thoughts by being mindful of something that will cheer u up , and these can be extremely simple things to do

-Devilock- etc., I am sorry if I have insulted anybody with my expression -Serious Mental Illness-, this was never my intention, let me explain myself. My experiences with people with mental illness was from my working with them in a -LARGE GROUP- work setting over many years. The supposed mental health professionals were always telling us and the (Clients) human beings with mental illness how successful they were in treating people with mental illness....

That being said I looked into these supposed miracles and found that these supposed mental health professionals were full of -SH..-. They were using human beings that had at one time -Light Mental Illness- (My Opinion) and were using them as their supposed success stories...

Out of thousands of human beings with serious mental illness that I saw and came into contact with over the years, I only saw -TWO- success stories that were considered a success, (MY OPINION)....

Ps, My experiences with human beings with mental illness was in - LARGE GROUP SETTINGS- which is far different than human beings with mental illness in individual settings...

From all the comments and postings etc. on this forum it looks like the human beings with (Serious) mental illness are better off in a group setting with real mental health professionals helping -YOU- full time....

IMO, the best thing to do is not try to define things or people. That counts for the whole real mental illness or serious mental illness conversation. Fact is the mental health field can not distinguish between someone who has a so-called serious mental illness and someone that is simply talking out of there heads and nothing will ever come of there talk because there are no test that will yield anything close to a fact.

I agree with 1013, its not good to label ppl. There are so many ways ppl come into being labeled and its not fair to label them all when they all have different stories and personalities, theyre not one big pack. ALso, when u label someone, u negate them, its derogative.
That's why labels like mental illness and serious mental illness are offensive capatilistic oppressive Orwellian double talk derogatory and are supposed to conjure up an image of a certain stereotype, and that stereotype is *not* a *good* person, or a person needing love n care. But a deranged, homeless, dirty, raggy clothed violent unpredictable killer type person and other things to varying degrees.
This is why I am boycotting these oppressive labels that the govt. or the state or the man or the ######6 powers that be ######6 dictate to me that I have to use these oppressive words to define a group of ppl just beause it ######6 benefits the powers that be. ###$ off. I do not have to use those words, language is such a powerful tool. One pointed out in George orwells 1984, much about how the use of double talk language like 'peace troops' 'peace keepers' etc etc wtf? they r soldiers and it directly infers that the us 'peace troops' are the *good* guys, even thu they pracive atrocious violence as well, and many troubling tales about innocents being killed and women raped, there are stories from all armies of stuff like that going on. So they try to conjure up nice, easy images by the words they use, so u think something that really is torture is caring and helpful. And another point. I don't know if anyone else has ever thought about this, but some ppl actually get off on being conformists, it makes them feel safe, theyre like "oh, I agree with the social groups concensus on any opinion, I don't think about it" and then theyre like on a high because theyre like "oh, im one of them, im part of that conformist group and we are better than other ppl", sorry not a very expressive way to explain what im trying to say, but I hope u get it. Of course many other reasons for ppl to be conformists, uneducated, raised not to question authority, peer pressure, financial/emotional/etc investments either work wise or personally. To gain favour with other ppl. many more.
I choose not to use any of the labels in the dsm whatever volume , they r not diseases they r a group of 'noticed symptoms' that theres no possible way any 2 ppl could have or be the exact same symtoms, they mostly have a mixture of a few from colum a a few from colum b , and obviously there are no tests for it. I find its for profit, power , parets and prestige, but I wonder sometimes why havint ppl caught on that ppl down on their luck need care and love not punishment. and I realize, there are so many other ###$ up things in the world that are oppressive and unjust, the media does a good job of socializing/brainwashing us everyday, I could go on and on. But in the end , maybe its the rat race, the 9-5 fast paced lifes that most ppl are trying to survive living, because *again* that's what they've been indoctrinated to do, by the powers that be, they think oh im going well at this I should be achieving more and more financial and famiy goals, u know the picture, the so called 'happy life', having everything(?).
Its so sad and disappointing that we have a thing like psychiatry actually going on in the world. I truly thought the world wasn't that bad, apart from wars and that when I was little, but even then I thought why cant they just talk things thru. But interestingly enuf, I've learned from my abusive mother, there are allot of sick ppl in the world, more than youd think , and they *do not* talk things thru, they don't listen, they are always right, they are dictators of all shapes and forms and they can never EVER put themselves in other ppls shoes. These are the real sick ppl.
But what I was beginning to say earlier, yes its sad and disappointing, but its also very frightening, obviously beause I've been terrorized by the mobile health team/police/abusive parents railroading me to a facility on a whim, but in general im frightened, because there are other practices as bad maybe not as bad, maybe worse , going on. WHy dosnt anyone care? I want to believe that there are ppl who care out there, but on the other hand, the world is so very oppressive maybe all these ppl that think similarily are so pushed down that they cant even get it together to unite and fight against stuff like this. It can also be dangerous. ###$, this is a ######6 police state.

This is definitely a police state. I think that most people are conformist because it is safer to be a part of the pack of wolves than the lone wolf. The lone wolf screaming at the top of his lungs that you are all wrong is just so vulnerable and that is what we anti psych people are.

1013 victim wrote:I think that most people are conformist because it is safer to be a part of the pack of wolves than the lone wolf.

I agree. I hear this a lot actually. That a lot of people would rather just stick their head in the sand because it is easier and less emotionally draining to know what is actually going on in the world.

Cheze2 wrote:

1013 victim wrote:I think that most people are conformist because it is safer to be a part of the pack of wolves than the lone wolf.

I agree. I hear this a lot actually. That a lot of people would rather just stick their head in the sand because it is easier and less emotionally draining to know what is actually going on in the world.

-Cheze2- etc., The above statement is true and it carries over to the vast majority of people with mental illness. THE SUPPOSED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND HUMAN BEINGS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN FINDING A CURE AND OR HELPING THEMSELVES DEFEAT MENTAL ILLNESS.

Ps, think about what I have said before -YOU- curse me out and be truthful with yourself....