psychotic episode

First of all let me start off by saying I am not anti psych. I have been lucky to have good experiences so far though I know that is not always the case. I respect everyone's opinions and experiences on this board. I also like to keep an open mind so I do occasionally read through this board.

That being said I have an honest question for people who are anti psych. How would you propose a person have a complete psychotic episode be treated or helped? I am talking of a person who has completely lost sight of reality and completely delusional and a danger to themselves or others. I think this is the one nugget that keeps me from being anti psych. I'm asking an honest question and not trying to start any arguments. I ask questions because I want to learn and hear others opinions not to start drama.

I should also note that I had my first psychotic break before being treated with any kind of medication for anything ever. I just say that because I know many will say that a psychotic break is not possible without first being introduced to psych drugs in the first place. Might be the case sometimes but not all the time.

Thanks for your responses.

How about a nice big dose of Xanax or Valium, a drug with pleasant effects to chill out until I get through it. Haldol and the other zombie neuroleptic crap is a nightmare and not very "anti psychotic" anyway.

That's what I would put in my psychiatric living will.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not so much anti-psychiatry/psychology/psychotherapy/etc., but against the idea that someone can't explore their angst/demons/problems themselves if they choose to and have a discussion with whomever the choose, and not be censored when they suggest possible "disorders" as best describing their condition. I think some psychologists have insights that are helpful to me in my efforts to understand myself, but I can read their books. I don't have to go talk to them in person. Personally, I find they're know-it-all attitude irksome and condescending.

If you've had good experiences with them, more power to you. Some people may do well with "therapy". Others may not. I think that self-knowledge and healing can come not just from "clinical psychology" (whatever that is), but from philosophy, art and literature.

I'm not "anti", just skeptical, and I won't grovel and obey.

twinkle86 wrote:First of all let me start off by saying I am not anti psych. I have been lucky to have good experiences so far though I know that is not always the case. I respect everyone's opinions and experiences on this board. I also like to keep an open mind so I do occasionally read through this board.

That being said I have an honest question for people who are anti psych. How would you propose a person have a complete psychotic episode be treated or helped? I am talking of a person who has completely lost sight of reality and completely delusional and a danger to themselves or others. I think this is the one nugget that keeps me from being anti psych. I'm asking an honest question and not trying to start any arguments. I ask questions because I want to learn and hear others opinions not to start drama.

I should also note that I had my first psychotic break before being treated with any kind of medication for anything ever. I just say that because I know many will say that a psychotic break is not possible without first being introduced to psych drugs in the first place. Might be the case sometimes but not all the time.

Thanks for your responses.

How are you going to go by proving this? First off, I would need to know the persons whole situation. Like what happened leading up to this so-called episode. The problem with psychiatry is it is not based off of facts. Give me the facts to what happened prior to this so-called episode because I never seen or experienced someone lose all sense of reality. In reality the only things you need to do in order to live are eat, drink, release bodily functions every now and then, etc. Until someone losses sight of that then they have not lost all touch with reality

1013 victim wrote:How are you going to go by proving this? First off, I would need to know the persons whole situation. Like what happened leading up to this so-called episode. The problem with psychiatry is it is not based off of facts. Give me the facts to what happened prior to this so-called episode because I never seen or experienced someone lose all sense of reality. In reality the only things you need to do in order to live are eat, drink, release bodily functions every now and then, etc. Until someone losses sight of that then they have not lost all touch with reality

The Cotard delusion, Cotard's syndrome, or Walking Corpse Syndrome is when people hold a delusional belief that they are dead.

This happened to me during panic attacks from withdrawals and I thought I was in purgatory or hell.

Did I loose "all" touch with reality, no. I knew that getting hurt would still hurt and pain sucks, things like that, but most of reality was gone, just some "what if" left.

The term "psychotic episode" was invented to replace terms like "Mental breakdown".

Mental breakdown or nervous breakdown) is a largely depreciated and colloquial term for an acute, time-limited "psychiatric disorder" that manifests primarily as severe stress-induced depression, anxiety and/or dissociation in a previously functional individual, to the extent that they are no longer able to function on a day-to-day basis until the "disorder" (stress !!!) is resolved.

original here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_breakdown

Every distress seems labelled "psychosis" these days.

-- Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:07 pm --

how better to push "anti psychotics" ?

Copy_Cat wrote:

1013 victim wrote:How are you going to go by proving this? First off, I would need to know the persons whole situation. Like what happened leading up to this so-called episode. The problem with psychiatry is it is not based off of facts. Give me the facts to what happened prior to this so-called episode because I never seen or experienced someone lose all sense of reality. In reality the only things you need to do in order to live are eat, drink, release bodily functions every now and then, etc. Until someone losses sight of that then they have not lost all touch with reality

The Cotard delusion, Cotard's syndrome, or Walking Corpse Syndrome is when people hold a delusional belief that they are dead.

This happened to me during panic attacks from withdrawals and I thought I was in purgatory or hell.

Did I loose "all" touch with reality, no. I knew that getting hurt would still hurt and pain sucks, things like that, but most of reality was gone, just some "what if" left.

The term "psychotic episode" was invented to replace terms like "Mental breakdown".

Mental breakdown or nervous breakdown) is a largely depreciated and colloquial term for an acute, time-limited "psychiatric disorder" that manifests primarily as severe stress-induced depression, anxiety and/or dissociation in a previously functional individual, to the extent that they are no longer able to function on a day-to-day basis until the "disorder" (stress !!!) is resolved.

original here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_breakdown

Every distress seems labelled "psychosis" these days.

-- Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:07 pm --

how better to push "anti psychotics" ?

Once again, how can you prove someone is unable to function when they are doing all the things necessary without assistance? Furthermore, once again, tell me what happened that caused the distress.

twinkle86 wrote:How would you propose a person have a complete psychotic episode be treated or helped?

I like the open dialogue model that is going on in Finland. One aspect of this is that a whole bunch of people close to the person basically "camp out" in that person's home until they are doing better and can be more independent. The open dialogue model also assumes that the issue is not with the person themselves but with the issues between people.

There is a rather high recovery rate for people diagnosed with mental illness in that country since they began using this model.

1013 victim wrote:
Once again, how can you prove someone is unable to function when they are doing all the things necessary without assistance? Furthermore, once again, tell me what happened that caused the distress.

I coulden't function, I was to bugged the hell out. Psych med Withdrawals happened, that caused the distress.

How did you become a 1013 victim ?

Hi
I am fairly new to this website. Even though I joined a while ago. I am not too comfortable saying what I believe. Because it is political and, well somewhat metaphysical in some instances. But in cases where there is psychosis, the person can be driven off the edge during psychosis. Because of that I do recommend to people that they get the correct combination of medications that hopefully can get the psychosis controlled. I do not think this is the best way of handling it. But I think its the way that is most readily available these days. And even then, I hear way too many stories of people who are in full blown psychosis and being sent home with incorrect medication that does nothing but leave them to deal with the voices etc. on their own. It can literally push people do destruction. I have seen it.
Have you heard of intervoice? you may want to check out their website. I found it because I was watching a TED talk. The TED talk is titled "Why I Thank the Voices in My Head" you might like to listen to it.

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1013 victim wrote:
Once again, how can you prove someone is unable to function when they are doing all the things necessary without assistance? Furthermore, once again, tell me what happened that caused the distress.

I coulden't function, I was to bugged the hell out. Psych med Withdrawals happened, that caused the distress.

How did you become a 1013 victim ?

Personally, I am not going to talk specifics because I am still getting my legal documents and other things together to sue. All I will say is I made a 911 call, they told me to call police desk, after getting blown off by both 911 and police desk I leave my house and check into a hotel because the situation of my neighbor having illegal activity going on is bothering me. 30+ hours later I find myself in the ER and they are talking about the 911 call I made 30+ hrs ago instead of what I am at the ER for. They leap over the fact that in 30 hrs after I made the 911 call I left the situation that was bothering me instead of going to my neighbors and causing harm to him and others. They look over the fact that in the 30 hrs after I have not said or done anything that would even insinuate that I am a harm to myself or others for the fantasy of such. That's too much info right there but that is the drift of it.